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Yes, yes. God forbid we tell our young minds the truth about the world. Let's wrap them up in social blankets that shield them from the truth that is the world, because, if my daughter knows the opportunity is out there, that means she will take advantage of it first chance she gets. And since I, her father, have no control over her sense of morals or self-respect, I must make sure she does not ever know of the evils that she can embrace or avoid.

Hey, it's a profession, and you can make money doing it. Chances are, the 8th graders will find out about it soon enough anyway (if they haven't already). It's probably better for them to find out in school. Frankly, I think this aspect of the presentation is pretty cool.


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I cannot personally vouch for this, having never visited an exotic dancing establishment, but from what I'm told isn't there quite a difference between being a ***** and stripping?

Post so nice I had to post it twice.

Edited, Fri Jan 14 20:49:18 2005 by Nabraben

Ahh I see, well statement retracted.

Make no mistake, I don't condone anyone activly encouraging an 8th grader to strip for money. If there was a way to show them the opportunity without actually encouraging it, I may not have a problem with that.

I realize that there is a fine line between presenting and condoning, when the dust settles, I would probably rather not have my child shown exotic dancing as a profession, maybe tell them that people do it, but not in contex with a career fair.

er... what exactly was that asking about?

Except he wasn't actively encouraging 8th graders to strip for money. He simply listed it as one of 140 potential careers. He did exactly what you said you wouldn't have a problem with.



Why not? Exotic dancing *is* a profession. It's a legal profession. Would you rather your child grow up naive of how the real world works, thinking she must go directly into a 4 year university and then a white collar job or she's "failed"? What happens to the 80% of students who *don't* follow that path? Do we just toss them aside?

You're actually increasing the likelyhood of those girls becoming "whores" by hiding the truth about that industry. If you make it just "something people do", but don't present it as a legitimate profession, then they'll think there's something wrong with it. By extension, anyone practicing that profession must have something wrong with them too (in addition to being a failure in society's eyes). And if you're already scum of the earth and an overall lower class of human being, you may as well get the quick bucks whoring while you're at it, right?


It's a legal profession. I'd question the motivation of someone who actively avoided mentioning it far more then someone who lists it along with 139 other professions. By doing that, you are implying something about the profession that exists *only* because some people think it's that way. It becomes self fulfilling. Guess what? No matter what that guy says in that classroom, a certain percentage of young girls will go on to be strippers at some point in their life. You can either have them approach it as a legitimate source of income, or something to be ashamed of and hide. Which do you think is the healthier attitude?

As an added to what gbaji said:

I've been to a few Strip Joints. Nothing special. Women dancing. Taking off clothes etc. Fun if you understand the concept. They dance, try to make you horny, waitresses try to get you drunk so you'll tip more etc. Just as long as you understand it's their job and nothing more.

Now, most of the strippers I've met have been young and pretty. About 18-25. They have told me they're working their way through college or supporting a child, or both.

Well that may be a line to generate sympathy for more money or the truth. Point is, is that there ARE alot of strippers who work dancing to pay for college. I've even known a few girls in college who, as it turned out, were dancers.

So they are advancing their career futures by doing something that is good for their health (if they stay off drugs and don't drink to excess) and pays for school.

Not compared to whoring which has no health benefits and is far more dangerous.

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Edited, Fri Jan 14 21:48:25 2005 by Pensive

None of those jobs has the societal taboos that stripper does.

Cult leader is a legal profession (provided you stay within the law) that can net you millions of dollars. Would you recommend that?

I think you're forgetting one thing. Most 8th graders are extremely self-concious about their bodies. They are usually in the midst of puberty, and their worst nightmare is probably being naked in a room full of people. I doubt they'll see the money and forget about that very pressing fact.

Edited, Fri Jan 14 22:58:14 2005 by KakarSmakar

link the stats please?

this is based on my personal experience and observations.
Maybe it's differnt outside of danky *** Baltimore.
I watch for that sort of thing for some reason, maybe I just developed an eye for it when most of my close friends became junkies themselves. I'm sure there's the working college girl trying to make an honest buck.... but really... come on now...
matter of fact 2 weeks ago I was talking to a friend who was friends with the head cook for the XXXXXXXXXX Club , and she was on about how she would never go into that dressing room, because not only are most of the dancers junkies, but bi-sexual too, and as soon as they get off the stage they're snorting and licking everything in sight. Sad and harsh and stereotypical of me, I know, but I call it as I see it. and I'm an ******* to boot.

Edited, Fri Jan 14 23:45:53 2005 by Kelvyquayo