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#1 Jan 14 2005 at 1:32 PM Rating: Decent
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[link=Evolution ruling gets cheers from scientists]Evolution ruling gets cheers from scientists[/link]

ATLANTA, Georgia (AP) -- Since 2002, Dr. Kenneth Miller has been upset that biology textbooks he has written are slapped with a warning sticker by the time they appear in suburban Atlanta schools. Evolution, the stickers say, is "a theory, not a fact."

"What it tells students is that we're certain of everything else in this book except evolution," said Miller, a professor of biology at Brown University, who with Joseph S. Levine has authored three texts for high schoolers.

On Thursday, Miller -- along with fellow teachers and scientists -- cheered a federal judge's ruling that ordered the Cobb County school board to immediately remove the stickers and never again hand them out in any form.
#2 Jan 14 2005 at 1:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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In your face crazy religious people!!!

Hurray for activist judges.
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#3 Jan 14 2005 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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ordered the Cobb County school board to immediately remove the stickers and never again hand them out in any form.

So much for grinding up the stickers and using them as filler in the lunchroom meatloaf. Smiley: frown


#4 Jan 14 2005 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
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We had another kinda stink about evolution a lot more recently as well. Kathy Cox essentially annihilated her political career.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/01/30/striking.evolution.ap/

I think Jimmy Carter actually called it an embaressment to the state after he head about it.
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Beautiful I like this bit:

Cox repeatedly referred to evolution as a "buzzword"


Yeah a 145 year old "buzz word".
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#7 Jan 14 2005 at 2:48 PM Rating: Good
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I live in Cobb County! Smiley: eek



But really, what do expect from a district that gave us Newt Gingrich. Smiley: tongue



Also, for some reason, I was expecting this to be about bumber stickers... Something along the lines of "My ancestors didn't come from apes, but my ex-husband's did." Ho-ho, take that genetics pool!
#8 Jan 14 2005 at 2:49 PM Rating: Good
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A post so nice, I say it twice.

Edited, Fri Jan 14 14:52:34 2005 by DewVictim
#9 Jan 14 2005 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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ROFL

Holy cow is someone filtering stupid into the water supply there.


I think for now on no one in the world should use the word HAPPY because I feel that its a "Buzzword". For now on everyone has to say:

"Feeling of Enjoyment"

It will take some time for this to sink in and many people will be severely punished for using the buzzword "Happy" but in time I think everyone will adjust to how I want the world to run around me and only me.


Is it just me or are there more and more people taking there daily jogs through the stupid forest.
#10 Jan 14 2005 at 3:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Ahh... Kathy Cox...
HMMM....Cobb county...

Its starting to sound like the casting call for a porno, really maybe its me but her name might have alot to do with her postiton on this.
#11 Jan 14 2005 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Is it just me or are there more and more people taking there daily jogs through the stupid forest


It does seem that way sometimes. I live in Gwinett myself, so I was spared the evolution stickers, but Cox's idiocy was statewide.

If it's any consolation, It never did go into effect. Just about every science teacher that I knew swore that they would resign if it ever happened.
#12 Jan 14 2005 at 4:12 PM Rating: Good
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Ahh... Kathy Cox...
HMMM....Cobb county...

Its starting to sound like the casting call for a porno, really maybe its me but her name might have alot to do with her postiton on this.

When I first saw your post, I misread "Knob County", which of course would have been more amusing.
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#13 Jan 14 2005 at 4:32 PM Rating: Default
The problem is that no one with definitive knowledge as to which competing theory- Evoloution or Creationism- is correct is alive to share the wisdom.

Technically, the stickers were correct. Evoloution is a theory that, while is has substantial evidence to support it, does also have many holes in establishing the sequences in the process by which man evolved from amoeba.

What I found most interesting is that- once again- activist Judges read something into the wording of the stickers that was not there: namely, any reference to religion. In fact, the writers of what was on the sticker went to great lengths not to mention Religion or Creationism. All the stickers asked was that students consider that Evoloution is not alone among theories and to keep an open mind as to alternatives. I guess these Judges are deathly afraid of letting the students think for themselves.
#14 Jan 14 2005 at 4:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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What I find most disturbing is that evolution is singled out among all the accepted but unproven scientific theories that abound.

Gravity? Theoretical. Expansion of the universe? All theory. The existence of matter? Unprovable.

It's so blatantly a sop to the people whose faith is so delicate they can't bear the thought of science solving a divine mystery - the spiritual descendents of the Inquisitors who locked up Galileo until he recanted his, yes, theory of the revolution of the earth around the sun.
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#15 Jan 14 2005 at 4:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Evolution is pretty much alone in the realm of scientific theories with any support. Which is the only thing one should be finding in a textbook on science.

Creationism has about as much scientific support and evidence as Lamarckism.
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#16 Jan 14 2005 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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All the stickers asked was that students consider that Evoloution is not alone among theories and to keep an open mind as to alternatives


There is another part to this argument as well. Like in the bible, almost all of science in general is a theory, and not fact. This is escpecially true in physics. To single out one little theory in a mass of them is to be more than just a little hypocritical. We don't even know how (well, why at any rate)gravity really works, much less the arrival of man.

If you allow these stickers and you would soon have people requiring that bibles be sold with a simmilar disclaimer, all for the sake of fairness of course. It gets to a point where no one is allowed to say anything at all, theory or otherwise, for fear of being hailed as politicly incorrect.

If students cannot figure out that evolution is a theory on thier own, without having to be spoon fed that little, really insignificant, tidbit of information by a sticker that deals with just one of the many myriads of unproven ideas that exist in science, then I am really hesitant to try to explain anything to them.

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What I find most disturbing is that evolution is singled out among all the accepted but unproven scientific theories that abound


Why do I have to type so slow ;_;
Well said Samira

Edited, Fri Jan 14 16:43:16 2005 by Pensive
#17 Jan 14 2005 at 4:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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The basic theory of evolution doesnt really have holes in it.

Monkey to man its pretty much proven. However when you get down to the minutae or even mid level there are debates of the models of how they evolved, was neanderthal an evolutionary dead end or were they predecessors of Sapien, or did the two merge? Stuff like that but pretty much anyone versed in the science will agree about the general idea of evolution and just quibble of the particulars.

Out of africa or mutli regional development, is **** Erectus and **** Ergaster different enough to classify as different genus, did Habilis come from Afarensis or gracile stuff like that.

Little stuff but the fossil and genetic record show that man came from ape. We also see the branching out not only of human but of orangs, gorilla nad chimps over time and the divergence.
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#18 Jan 14 2005 at 4:46 PM Rating: Decent
'Mankind can believe in practically anything, including evolution, and its a lot harder to not believe in science than to not believe in a personal Judeo-Christian God, who made everything in seven days, completely from scratch, just like it says in the Bible, which happens to have a few contradictions in it, in case you hadn't noticed.' Chuck 9.1-8

and

'And although they'll continue to think of the biblical creation as a pretty nice story, they'll come to believe tha the amino acids became simple one-celled life-forms...'Chuck 11.1-2

just thought i'd share a few verses from my bible with you
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Common ancestor to monkey to man its pretty much proven
Fixed.

Actually, I don't know that it is but the theory is a common ancestor, not that we evolved from modern day monkeys as the original statement implied
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Anyone ever see that special on Discovery about what future animals would evolve into?

http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/futureiswild/imagine/imagine.html

::EDIT:: I can't find the link to the exact show but this was close. Sorry.



Edited, Fri Jan 14 16:55:10 2005 by Karg
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theory of the revolution of the earth around the sun.



Any noob knows that the world is a giant ball that sits on the back of the giant turtle god. The sun is the brother of the almighty turtle god and to question him is to spend eternal damnation in the dimension of rabid rabbits that spew bees from there mouth.

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Anyone ever see that special on Discovery about what future animals would evolve into?

http://animal.discovery.com/convergence/futureiswild/imagine/imagine.html

::EDIT:: I can't find the link to the exact show but this was close. Sorry.

I saw that, I thoguht it was pretty wicked-cool. Yes I am a big Discovery Channel fan.

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If you allow these stickers and you would soon have people requiring that bibles be sold with a simmilar disclaimer, all for the sake of fairness of course.

Or just put in the Fiction section, as it should be.
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#23 Jan 14 2005 at 9:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Common ancestor to monkey to man its pretty much proven
Fixed.

Actually, I don't know that it is but the theory is a common ancestor, not that we evolved from modern day monkeys as the original statement implied


Rate up for Jophiel for knowing stuff.

That was absolutely correct
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#24 Jan 15 2005 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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All the stickers asked was that students consider that Evoloution is not alone among theories and to keep an open mind as to alternatives
And just what were those scientifically plausible alternatives?

:::crickets:::

How about if religionists just teach their kids that people were pretty scientifically ignorant around the time pen was put to paper and the bible was written, so they came up with the what they thought was the most plausible explanation at that time.
#25 Jan 15 2005 at 4:29 PM Rating: Decent
This is my understanding: The Theory of Evolution is just that, a theory. There is some question as to if it is truth, but it is generally accepted by scientists as the most plausible theory, seeing as nobody can prove it or anything else.

However, evolution (non-capital e) is much surer. It holds the same scientific water as Gravity. No, its not a "fact," but it is about as close as you can get.

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Technically, the stickers were correct. Evoloution is a theory that, while is has substantial evidence to support it, does also have many holes in establishing the sequences in the process by which man evolved from amoeba.


So is gravity. Creationism does not have "substantial evidence to support it" by any stretch of the imagination.

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What I found most interesting is that- once again- activist Judges read something into the wording of the stickers that was not there: namely, any reference to religion. In fact, the writers of what was on the sticker went to great lengths not to mention Religion or Creationism. All the stickers asked was that students consider that Evoloution is not alone among theories and to keep an open mind as to alternatives. I guess these Judges are deathly afraid of letting the students think for themselves.


Yes, there was no refrence to religion on the stickers. The problem with the stickers is, as you pointed out, "Evolution is not alone among theories." The stickers singled out Evolution. Why not gravity?

The stickers are the Religious Rights attempt to undermine the teaching of science in the classroom. They disagree with evolution, and are attempting to stick their collective nose into the rubric to undermine something they do not agree with. Evolution is not taught as fact, it is taugh as theory. Indeed, it is called the Theory of Evolution.

The people that don't want children thinking for themselves is the people that pushed for these stickers. Evolution is the most commonly accepted (by scientist) theory for the existence of man. Usually other theories, including Creationism, are taugh alongside Evolution.



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I don't tend to get into religious conversations with the Christians I know all that often. But when I have, all of them have stated that they don't really believe in Creationism. They understand that the entire story is just something that man made up to explain why we're all here. Also, most of the Christians I know tend to believe that most of the bible is mostly made up.

Where are these people who truly believe that the bible is an acurate and factual book that is to be taken literally?

edited, because I literally can't spell.

[sm]Edited, Sat Jan 15 18:06:18 2005 by Nadenu
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