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#1 Jan 09 2005 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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Jerry Spinger the Musical is to be sued in a British court for Blasphomy, after showing Jesus in a Diaper admitting, he is "a bit gay".

Honestly, i understand cristians are a bit anally retentive but get a f*cking grip.

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Stephen Green, National Director of Christian Voice, a UK-wide prayer group, said: "We will probably bring a private prosecution against them for the common law offence of blasphemy.

#2 Jan 09 2005 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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That's some funny shi[u][/u]t. Is blasphemy prosecutable in Britain? I know it wouldn't fly in the States.

Sheeeesh. And here I never thought I'd be rooting for Jerry Springer.
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#3 Jan 09 2005 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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He added: "There will be nothing sacred if we cannot successfully prosecute the BBC."
Does this group of christians forego eating beef (since they're sacred to some)? What's that? Ridiculous, you say?
#4 Jan 09 2005 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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That's so gay.... kind of a little bit like Jesus






































Will I be sued now too?Smiley: jester
#5 Jan 09 2005 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
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What's your the UK government position on artistic freedom of expression?
#6 Jan 09 2005 at 6:06 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe Jesus will sue the BBC for slander?
#7 Jan 09 2005 at 6:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe Jesus will sue the BBC for slander?


you know, i would, but i'm in the middle of ignoring prayers. it's soooo time consuming.
#8 Jan 09 2005 at 6:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Three cheers for theocracy

Hooray!!

I swear to god if thats not the stupidest thing i've ever heard
#9 Jan 09 2005 at 6:57 PM Rating: Good
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That's what you get for having a state-sponsored religion.


#10 Jan 09 2005 at 7:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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trickybeck the Sly wrote:

That's what you get for having a state-sponsored religion.




/The Anglican church casts excommunicate on Trickybeck
/The Anglican church casts wrath of God on Trickybeck
/Trickybeck goes back to playing WoW with little to no consequences
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#11 Jan 09 2005 at 7:54 PM Rating: Decent
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I have little to no knowledge of the applicable laws in England. That being said, I would suspect that our US laws are at least a bit similar since we derived much of our law from yours.

If this exact situation were happening in America, I would say No, Blasphemy should NOT be a criminal offense. Our First Amendment is meant to protect that speech you do not agree with before it protects speech in which you find agreement. It protects "Hustler" magazine before it protects the New King James Version of the Holy Bible.

The power to enforce a penalty against blasphemy should originate in the people, not Government. By all means, people should organize demonstrations, write editorials, get interviewed on the TV news, choose not to patronize the theatre or any of the show's sponsors. But this is one area where your Government should butt out.

Edited, Sun Jan 9 19:55:04 2005 by Adiemus
#12 Jan 09 2005 at 8:01 PM Rating: Good
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I think tarv's question was rhetorical.


#13 Jan 09 2005 at 8:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Our First Amendment is meant to protect that speech you do not agree with before it protects speech in which you find agreement. It protects "Hustler" magazine before it protects the New King James Version of the Holy Bible.



Sorry, the First Amendment protects both equally (although admittedly Hustler has come under much more fire than the Bible).
#14 Jan 09 2005 at 8:31 PM Rating: Decent
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Our First Amendment is meant to protect that speech you do not agree with before it protects speech in which you find agreement. It protects "Hustler" magazine before it protects the New King James Version of the Holy Bible.



Sorry, the First Amendment protects both equally (although admittedly Hustler has come under much more fire than the Bible).


That's probably not entirly true. Considering far more people have a problem with the bible which was written by man then by naked women. Which is the coolest thing on earth.
Actually I'm pretty sure no one's ever died as a result of Hustler. And I'm thinking the only violence ever due to it was the shooting of Larry Flint. Except the occasional domestic violence caused by a wife finding her husband's copy or outing his obsession. In which case the magazine is just the fuel for an already disturbed person.
But the bible? Well we'll not get into how many people have died or been harmed because of that book. Did I mention the bible was written by man and not some divine being? Ok.
#15 Jan 09 2005 at 8:55 PM Rating: Decent
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The moment they start enforcing that in the US (and you know they will) I'm moving to some deserted island.
#16 Jan 09 2005 at 11:59 PM Rating: Decent
You guys missed my point.

What I mean is that the First Amendment protects speech you find objectionable first and foremost- not to a greater extent than it does speech you have no problem with, true, but it is the dissent which must be protected.

I'm not touching the references to the Bible. You guys want to go down that road you do so without me. I used it and Hustler as examples of protected speech at the extreme opposite end of the spectrum.
#17 Jan 10 2005 at 7:36 AM Rating: Decent
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No, blasphemy should not be a criminal offence (and if they do try to sue, It will most likely fail)

However, whether the BBC should have aired this program is debatable. First, the BBC is entirely funded effectively by a mandatory tax, and therefore they should be more responsible, or at least more considered in what they broadcast. Second, there is no way in hell that the BBC would have broadcast somthing equally blasphemous about a minority religion.
#18 Jan 10 2005 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
Why are people always trying to act for their Gods? Why should such be forbidden? Why do you want to enforce the rules of your God in the first place? You live by it so anyone can see that you do so willingly and for the love your God. You don't swear because youse you don't want to rather than being afraid of a human penalty. There is nothing wrong in telling and asking people to stop, but any kind of enforcement and making people afraid of earthly consequences is not a good idea. Besides denying ppl their freedom of expression all you do is make false believers who just keep up appearances rather than anything else. Why give your God such a hard time selecting the good believers from the fake ones while you have the oppertunity to expose them?

And if such is broadcasted you can decide to change the channel to something else, if such is done massively out of conviction the next time advertisers are not interested in buying time in that block.

The only weapon against blasphemy is by totally ignoring it. Rather than persuing against it and giving it free exposure.

#20 Jan 10 2005 at 10:29 AM Rating: Decent
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No, blasphemy should not be a criminal offence


ty for that, can i come to you on other moral issues?


Title of this fu[/Black wrote:
cking thread]Should blasphemy be a ciminal offence?


Do you even read the titles of threads you post to? A question was asked, Tarv answered. Fuc[Black]k off.

Edited, Mon Jan 10 10:30:33 2005 by Natdatilgnome
#21 Jan 10 2005 at 11:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Adiemus wrote:
tarv-

I have little to no knowledge of the applicable laws in England. That being said, I would suspect that our US laws are at least a bit similar since we derived much of our law from yours.


You do understand that the entire Bill of Rights was a direct reaction to conditions imposed by British rulers acting under the aegis of British law, yes?
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#22 Jan 10 2005 at 11:07 AM Rating: Good
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Ciminal Offences are the worst. Not quite sure what they are, but it sounds awful. Smiley: grin

I wonder what would have happened if any other holy figure from another religion was depicted. Do you think that the show would have been sued still or do you think that fundamentalists would have strapped bombs to themselves and blown-up innocent people for retribution?

Serious question though. Did this make news because the people were Christians do you think? Do you think other groups would have done the same thing?
#23 Jan 10 2005 at 11:19 AM Rating: Excellent
US law is constitutional.
UK law is 'book law', those laws held and maintained by a millenia of recorded lawmaking.

Both subscribe to judges decrees (they become law also)

US and US laws have some similarities because the US law was formed by those who had lived under UK law and had actually respected most of it. They had fundamental issues with certain taxations and the lack of freedom to regulate themselves fairly. The british king was remote, mad as a hatter, and showed no understanding or compassion for his subjects.
We, the British failed the US in that respect, but monarchy is not about choice. We once had to chop of the kings heads to ensure the people had a say (in parliament being given real power) and the US had to become a nation unto itself to make a point Smiley: laugh


I pray the case is thrown out. I cannot beleive we would try that. It is blatent satire, not to be taken seriously. Based on a poor quality TV show from America to simply sensationalise issues and amuse the public. The people who would sue over that are the type that would sue because coffee from MacDonalds did not have a warning that it was *hot*. Oh ... someone did sue for that once Smiley: rolleyes This is more a statement of the ability of people to sue for anything they see fit, than it is a statement of blasphemy.

I may sue Smasharoo for vanishing and not posting anything new and readable for me Smiley: tongue

I wonder when the film "Dogma" will be screened on British TV .... Smiley: grin
#24 Jan 10 2005 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I thought "GOD" was supposed to punish people. Why do we humans act like we're the "police of the cosmos".

God will take care of it's own *****.

people are idiots.
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#25 Jan 11 2005 at 4:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Serious question though. Did this make news because the people were Christians do you think? Do you think other groups would have done the same thing?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4107437.stm

There you go...
#26 Jan 11 2005 at 4:45 AM Rating: Decent
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If thats not proof that Christians and Muslims are in fact anarchists nothing is.

Sweeping generalisations? Me? With my reputation?
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