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#1 Jan 07 2005 at 2:22 AM Rating: Good
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About 6 years ago I purchased Steven King's The Dark Tower I: The Gunslinger and read the opening line of a series of novels that has surpassed Lord of the Rings as my favorite of all time. I am an avid reader, and after Tolkien's series, I love Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan saga

"The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

The first of seven books is actually the weakest, as it was written around the time King was a young man ~19, and the last The Dark Tower VII much later in his life.

The single most astounding aspect of these works is that they contain and accompany a large number of his other works. Bestsellers such as The Eyes of the Dragon, It, The Stand, Rose Madder, 'Salem's Lot, The Talisman and on and on, see appearances of characters and items from all of King's inclusionary worlds, that stretch from Dairy, ME to Topeka, KS and further (would you believe the Land of Oz?). The story and characters are well versed and eerily well flushed to the point where you can't wait to read the rest of the story and see the Tower for yourself.

If you are currently at a loss for what to read, and are tired of your Women Who Perform With Goats skin-mags, pick this series up. Roland is the Clint Eastwoodish badass we all wish we had the chance to play at least once in our lives.

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#2 Jan 07 2005 at 2:28 AM Rating: Good
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I personally am not a fan of King's work. Some of it is incredible... the Stand, and Firestarter for 2 examples. However, a lot of it is just pathetic. His writing really degraded when he became almost like a writing factory.. pumping out a new book on almost a monthly basis. Plus, I have very little respect for the man to begin with after the whole "Misery" ordeal. I like to consider reading a book like having a conversation with the author. I can't have a conversation with a person I don't respect without feeling nauseated.

I think Family Guy explained it best...
"Oooooh! A Lamp monster!!!"

"You're not even trying anymore."


I might give the Gunslinger series a shot, though. I try to keep an open mind as much as I can about literature, and it sounds interesting.

Edited, Fri Jan 7 02:34:44 2005 by scubamage
#3 Jan 07 2005 at 6:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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One cool think about SK's books, is that most of them in some way are related. All things serve the beam ;)

I felt Songs of Susanna was the weakest of the series, but still a good read.
#4 Jan 07 2005 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I'd have to agree with you, Scubamage... though, for me, it was Gerald's Game that started to alienate me. One exception, however, would be From a Buick 8, it grabbed me like his older work used to.

I dunno... all personal preference I guess.
#5 Jan 07 2005 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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I never really cared for many of King's novels either (though I greatly enjoyed It and The Stand, for example.) The Dark Tower series, however, is so unlike any of his other novels that it's worth cheaking out even if you absolutely loathe the guy's writing style.

The Gunslinger was okay for a start; the series picks up with the second and third novels. Wizard and Glass, the last one I read, was incredibly boring since King elected to make the entire thing one big flashback. I still have yet to check out any of the ones after that.
#6 Jan 07 2005 at 11:59 AM Rating: Good
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The first of seven books is actually the weakest


I couldn't disagree more. I felt the last few books were rushed. It was as if when he got hit by that van and almost died, he was in a big hurry to get it over with. I fully enjoyed the first 4 books, and I've seen a lot of folks say what Rognars said. I actually really enjoyed Wizard and Glass, and I had hoped that there would be more backstory in the last couple novels.

As for his other novels, there were great, good, and not so good. No one can be great all the time. Yeah, Gerald's Game was horrible. I'm suprised someone mentioned Misery as a dissappointment, I liked that one. Some of his more recent stuff has been a bit dry.

In the end, the Gunslinger series was really good. I was a bit bummed by the end, not because of the way he chose to end it, but just because of the rushed feel to it. Had he taken his time, it might have come out better. But, I guess an ending is better than an unfinished series. That would have really sucked.
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#7 Jan 07 2005 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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I should have said "weakest of the first 4 novels" ><

Drawing of the Three has been my fav so far. Just finished Wolves of the Calla over Xmas break and was sorta disappointed because compared to the other books it had problems in progressing the story properly. "Rushed" is definately the proper word I would use to describe it.

Here's to hopin' Song of Susannah is better.

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#8 Jan 07 2005 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I used to be a huge King fan. I've read part of the Dark Tower series. The Gunslinger is, to me, an incredible work of art. True, it shows King's flourishing, novice writing at times, and the style jumps around a lot, but the story is powerful. The second, Drawing of the Three, is okay, and Wastelands I didn't really care for much at all. But Wizard and Glass, the last one I've read, is amazing. The flashback story engrosses me like little else has, and pisses me off when it goes back to "present" time. I still have yet to read the latest books of the series, but I am glad he did get around to finishing.
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#9 Jan 07 2005 at 12:07 PM Rating: Good
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Dezi wrote:
I'd have to agree with you, Scubamage... though, for me, it was Gerald's Game that started to alienate me. One exception, however, would be From a Buick 8, it grabbed me like his older work used to.


That's the one book I couldn't get through. And I loved Gerald's Game, lol
#10 Jan 07 2005 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Gerald's Game was pretty good. It's left an image burned into my mind that will never go away - that of getting out of the handcuffs. Smiley: eek The last King book I could not get through was Insomnia - after so long, it was just some old people who couldn't sleep and saw evil gnomes. That was when I finally decided that good ol' Steve had gone senile. I don't think I've read any (stand-alone) stories after that.

This reminds me, I got "Eyes of the Dragon" when I was like 10 and into Tolkien, but that book creeped me out and I never got past a few chapters. I should pick that up again sometime.
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#11 Jan 07 2005 at 12:26 PM Rating: Default
Ka is like a wheel, and it always comes around.

I am almost finished with dark tower VII. this series has engrossed me. i have loved everything about it. yes some books are better than the others, but overall, this series is just wonderful. you get so involved with the characters. i cant wait to see the how the final few chapters play out. I definately suggest this series for some causal reading. you really cant go wrong with it at all, even if you do not like SK.
#13 Jan 07 2005 at 12:32 PM Rating: Good
I too have been reading the Dark Tower series for some time.
I'd say that, while the overall series is a fantasy telling, King is first and foremost a horror writer (wether it be quality or pulp horror) and that has bled through into the 'Tower series fairly often.

That in and of itself has given the series a unique flavor all it's own.

From the sometimes pulp-fiction-esque characters, to King's inevitable use of vulgar language and sexual references, to the sometimes Lovecraftian tones, it was just an enjoyable read.
One HELL of a long wait if you started reading when the Gunslinger was first mass-published as well (fortunately I didn't come across it until the early 90's).
One thing I liked was that he wasn't just trying to pull his own novels into the stories, but referencing a lot of recent things in skewed fashions the further he got along.

But the most important thing to keep in mind is that this is in fact a Fantasy story, so even if you don't like King's usual fare, this series might be worth the read for you.

And those of you who have read it and like it might want to try Terry Brook's "The Word and the Void" trilogy, starting with "Running with the Demon" if you haven't allready.
The style is similar, and it too is a modern "fantasy" story.

Ehh, I've babbled too much, I'll shut up now.
#14 Jan 07 2005 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm not too fond os SK's writing style, but the stories themselves are usually decent enough. My favorite from him is the book "Insomnia". That one I could easily read a couple of times and notget bored of it. But I have tried reading many of his stories, and I find he can go on tangents while writing, and they go on for a long time. Also, I find he sometimes tries too hard to detail particular areas of the book, that doesnt need so much.
#15 Jan 07 2005 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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Debalic wrote:
Gerald's Game was pretty good. It's left an image burned into my mind that will never go away - that of getting out of the handcuffs. Smiley: eek


When I reread GG, I had to skim over that part. WAAAAY to graphic and detailed, heh.
#16 Jan 07 2005 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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When I reread GG
You read it twice? Were you locked in a stairwell or something?
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#17 Jan 09 2005 at 8:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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I read a lot, and I mean a lot! I can read an entire book in a day, maybe less and I read everything from horror to historical fiction to biographies. I loved reading so much that when I would run out of books when I was little I would read the phonebook. The first SK book I ever read was IT when I was five and to this day I am horribly scared of clowns.

When I was thirteen or so (I'm 25 now) we moved to a new house (we moved like every few minutes, I have a bizzare family) and the last person to live there let me have a big box of books, including the first few books of the gunslinger series. When I finished reading them I was so upset that he hadn't finished the series and probably never would. There are only two kinds of books SK writes, the really good ones and the really bad ones. While some of the bad ones were interspersed with the good ones over the years, most of his worst books were just in the past few years. For reasons I'd rather not go into I can't stomache books with rape/torture scenes especially if they are very graphic and drawn out and I found King to be relying on these types of scenes more and more in recent years for, I assume, shock value.

If you are tired of King and need something new I suggest trying Robert Jordan or Jean M. Auel. Jordan writes the Wheel Of Time series which is sort of fantasy/science fiction/alternative history. Auel writes fictional history/adventure. I don't read romance novels, they're soft core **** wrapped up in a pink chiffon package of delusions, but I suppose you could call Auel's Earth Children series romance as well. I also like Koontz (horror), Robin Mckinley (alternative fairytales), Neil Gaiman (graphic novels) and Orson Scott Card (science fiction). Good luck and blessings, Prana
#18 Jan 09 2005 at 9:37 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
When I reread GG
You read it twice? Were you locked in a stairwell or something?


Hello, dork... I said I actually liked it, remember?

I know... no accounting for taste and all...
#19 Jan 09 2005 at 9:45 AM Rating: Decent
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My favorite from him is the book "Insomnia". That one I could easily read a couple of times and notget bored of it.


Oh my god! Really? I thought Insomnia was his worst work ever. It was just so incredibly tedious and meanders along with either nothing at all happening, or something that is utterly inexplicable (and not even interesting) happening. Blech! It was awful.

Insomnia was the book that really turned me off to King, and I really haven't read anything of his since.

#20 Jan 09 2005 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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It's so funny... all these books that everyone says they hated are books that I liked. I realize though, that I'm easily amused.
#21 Jan 09 2005 at 9:53 AM Rating: Good
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Might need to dip into some mind-candy book pretty soon. Last one I read was "Tuesdays With Morrie" and it was regoddamndiculously depressing.
#22 Jan 09 2005 at 9:55 AM Rating: Good
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To Kaliprana and ilk:

If you have a fetish, as I do, for run-on stories and characters that remain intact from book to book begin reading the Stephen Hunter books about Bob Lee "The Nailer" Swagger. Sounds like a pornstar, Ayuh, but hes a former Marine Corps sniper, and the story centers around action/suspense where a country hick basically outsmarts the entire world. My favorite book in this line so far has been "Dirty White Boys". -I swear this guy should write **** titles instead x.x

Also, Tom Clancy, in case you live under a rock on the planet Neptune, has Jack Ryan who is a pimp CIA guy and more. Reading "Executive Order" or "Decision" -can't recall which word is in the title atm- after starting with The Hunt For Red October and working down the series has a huge payoff. This novel contains the pimpest idea found within the cover of a book I'd read til I got to The Dark Tower V. Do yourself a favor and read "Debt of Honor" first at least.

Jean Auel is very good. If you go for caveman sex...which I do.
#23 Jan 09 2005 at 3:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I've gotten a copy of the latest Richard Russo novel, "Empire Falls" that I should start reading soon. This is from the same guy who wrote "Nobody's Fool", which became a Paul Newman movie. "Empire Falls" is also being filmed, again with Paul (in a supporting role).
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#24 Jan 09 2005 at 5:48 PM Rating: Decent
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I recently finished the final book of The Dark Tower, and I must say, it was really incredible. For those of you not sure whether or not they would like it, read the first two books. Even if you do get turned off by The Gunslinger, The Drawing of the Three has a large change of pace, the rest of the books are really quite different from the Gunslinger.

If you're comparing The Dark Tower to SK's other works, I would say that its a lot closer to, say, The Stand, (which has one big connection to The Dark Tower and one smaller one) than it is to something like It. (which has one small connection to the DT series that I caught)

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I didn't really like Roland's old adversary, Walter / The Black Man / Flagg / many other names being killed so quickly and easily by Mordred, and then watching Mordred being killed relatively easily (well, more easily than most would think) by Roland and Oy. I also didn't really like The Artist's role in the entire thing, if I had a choice, there would be one huge showdown between Roland and the Crimson King.

Although, strangely enough, I accepted the deaths of Eddy, Jake, and Oy (and the going of Susannah) relatively easily. It makes sense that it would end/begin again just as Roland started (ended?), Roland and Roland alone.

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#25 Jan 13 2005 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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Oh my god! Really? I thought Insomnia was his worst work ever. It was just so incredibly tedious and meanders along with either nothing at all happening, or something that is utterly inexplicable (and not even interesting) happening. Blech! It was awful.

Insomnia was the book that really turned me off to King, and I really haven't read anything of his since.


Honestly a lot of people read Insomnia and just don't get it. They see the 'old people' story and get bored. The simple fact is that you should not read Insomnia unless you've read almost all of his previous works. If you have, then this book is a pure gem. I was going 'wow' every few pages as another story was linked in.

Insomnia is the book that linked all of SK's previous works in with the Dark Tower series. Without a thorough understanding of the previous works, these references are lost - and don't make much sense I've heard.

I thought it was one of his best ever - and I've read everything King has written at least 3 or 4 times, with the exceptions of Dark Tower 7 and Danse Macabre (the endless baseball stories practically bored me to tears).
#26 Jan 13 2005 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
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I had only read "Misery" wehn I was like 12.

A roomate of mine years later kept insisting that I read "Insomnia", after I had claimed to see the "Fates". He said that half the **** that I rant about is in the story.

Lo and behold, it was a truly remarkable story. In my view a lot of truths are covered there(in a way).

My favorite character is the one with the rainbow aura.
..and at the end... wehn he recalls everything after forgetting.... blows my mind.
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