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Marine Deserter AWOL again......Follow

#1 Jan 05 2005 at 7:25 PM Rating: Default

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,143453,00.html


Hassoun had been on leave with his family in West Jordan, Utah, when he was scheduled to return to Camp Lejeune (search) on Tuesday, military officials told FOX News. Hassoun's family said they do not know his whereabouts, and the military began notifying civilian law enforcement of his fugitive status.

The U.S. Marine Corps again listed Hassoun as a deserter on Wednesday. He had been charged in December with unauthorized leave following a five-month probe into his June disappearance from a U.S. military camp in Iraq.




Have I lost my mind? Why the **** would you let a guy charged with desertion go on leave? Does that make any sense?
#2 Jan 05 2005 at 7:36 PM Rating: Good
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Why the @#%^ would you let a guy charged with desertion go on leave? Does that make any sense?


Why is this so hard to believe? Civilians charged with crimes get out on bail all the time. Is it so hard to belive that the military would allow one of it's members to go home for the holidays? He wasn't convicted yet.

Of course, now his dumb as[i][/i]s is in even deeper trouble. I'll be interested in the outcome of this, and whether they can piece together what actually happened. And you can bet that once they catch him he won't be going anywhere till they're done with him.
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#3 Jan 05 2005 at 7:39 PM Rating: Good
Because he hasn't been convicted and apparently he wasn't judged to be a flight risk by someone who made a bad call.
#4 Jan 05 2005 at 7:45 PM Rating: Default
Yeah but he is accused of desertion during a time of war. in other words he left his unit fighting in a combat zone without authorization. Which is a very serious charge. He is facing alot of time in the brig and even death. What did they expect to happen if they let him go on leave back home? Did they really have any expectation that he would return? Here's the relevent article of the UCMJ


885. ART. 85. DESERTION
(a) Any member of the armed forces who--
(1) without authority goes or remains absent from his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to remain away therefrom permanently;
(2) quits his unit, organization, or place of duty with intent to avoid hazardous duty or to shirk important service; or
(3) without being regularly separated from one of the armed forces enlists or accepts an appointment in the same or another on of the armed forces without fully disclosing the fact that he has not been regularly separated, or enters any foreign armed service except when authorized by the United States; is guilty of desertion.
(b) Any commissioned officer of the armed forces who, after tender of his resignation and before notice of its acceptance, quits his post or proper duties without leave and with intent to remain away therefrom permanently is guilty of desertion.
(c) Any person found guilty of desertion or attempt to desert shall be punished, if the offense is committed in time of war, by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct, but if the desertion or attempt to desert occurs at any other time, by such punishment, other than death, as a court-martial may direct
#5 Jan 05 2005 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
I'm just wondering if he'll claim that he was kidnapped again?
#6 Jan 05 2005 at 8:09 PM Rating: Default
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Heh. he's prolly some homosexual polygamist's sixth wife. Utah is full of 'em.

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#7 Jan 05 2005 at 8:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yes exactly Totem. Hassoun of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
#8 Jan 05 2005 at 8:26 PM Rating: Decent
Was this the same douchhole that was "kidnapped and executed" then later turned up in Jordan?
I say they execute him for real this time.
#9 Jan 05 2005 at 8:50 PM Rating: Good
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Yeah but he is accused of desertion during a time of war. in other words he left his unit fighting in a combat zone without authorization. Which is a very serious charge. He is facing alot of time in the brig and even death. What did they expect to happen if they let him go on leave back home? Did they really have any expectation that he would return? Here's the relevent article of the UCMJ...


No one said it wasn't a serious charge. Murder is a serious charge, but a civilian can be granted bail if the Judge beleives he isn't a risk to flee. I guess I don't understand why you're so flabberghasted that he was allowed to go on leave to see his family during the holidays. Myself, I'm more astounded that he ran again.

Beleive it our not, the Military can be relatively forgiving if you fuc[i][/i]k up. They'll rap you on the head, tell you not to do anything stupid again, and give you just enough rope to hang yourself if you are that moronic. (Oversimplifying, I know)
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#10 Jan 05 2005 at 9:28 PM Rating: Default
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No one said it wasn't a serious charge. Murder is a serious charge, but a civilian can be granted bail if the Judge beleives he isn't a risk to flee. I guess I don't understand why you're so flabberghasted that he was allowed to go on leave to see his family during the holidays. Myself, I'm more astounded that he ran again.

Beleive it our not, the Military can be relatively forgiving if you **** up. They'll rap you on the head, tell you not to do anything stupid again, and give you just enough rope to hang yourself if you are that moronic. (Oversimplifying, I know)


Dude I am a Marine and I can tell you that his Commanding Officer is going to have to answer for this big time. Leave is routinely denied for far far less **** than this. Hell if your training for the year isnt up to date leave can be denied. Leave is a priviledge and not a right in the military.

And while the military used to be relatively forgiving (back until about the mid to end of the 90's) that isnt the case very often anymore. Dont know when you got out but you can back me up on this Totem. Certainly not when the charge is desertion during a time of war. I am surprised that he isnt in pretrial confinement. At a minimum I would think he would be pretty much confined to the Barracks and have to be escorted anywhere he wanted to go.
#11 Jan 05 2005 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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I was in the military as well, for 5 years. And granted, my experience with being in trouble is pretty limited, I don't find it unbelievable that he was granted leave. Do I think it was a good decision? Hell no, but neither of us has the whole story.


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I am surprised that he isnt in pretrial confinement. At a minimum I would think he would be pretty much confined to the Barracks and have to be escorted anywhere he wanted to go.


I would have thought this as well. But once again, we don't have all the facts.
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#12 Jan 05 2005 at 10:13 PM Rating: Decent
OK, I will bite...I have had a bad day!

I hope the orders were shoot first, ask questions later. It's time to be done with this *******!
#13 Jan 06 2005 at 1:15 AM Rating: Default
I just heard on the news that Military officials now think that he fled the country and is in Lebanon somewhere.
#14 Jan 06 2005 at 7:38 AM Rating: Default
I am in the Marines also and I am in Iraq right now. Not to sure if this made the news but this *** wipe was deffinatly ******* They found his uniforms in Falujai (spelling?) and they were in realitivly good condition. Also they said they found maps and other intelligence, but nothing was expanded on that. It was on AFN. I also cant believe he was allowed leave. A Marine in my company went disserter in the first part of the war in 03 and was immidiatly locked in the brig when was found crossing the border into Mexico.
#15 Jan 06 2005 at 8:44 AM Rating: Default
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Leave is a priviledge and not a right in the military.



Umm, not quite. The enlistee is guaranteed 30 days paid leave per year. While certain instances of leave can be denied for various reasons, ultimately the service is contractually obligated to give him leave. It is not a priviledge. If for whatever reason, he has been unable to use any accrued leave before separating from the service, he has to be paid in full for every day he still has on the books.


#16 Jan 06 2005 at 9:35 AM Rating: Default
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excuse me, but of ALL the crimes that might render you a FLIGHT RISK, deserting seems pretty high on the list. Just sayin' :p
#17 Jan 06 2005 at 10:12 AM Rating: Default
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excuse me, but of ALL the crimes that might render you a FLIGHT RISK, deserting seems pretty high on the list. Just sayin' :p



There's also a pretty good chance that they wanted to be rid of this guy, so they may very well have given him the leave hoping he wouldn't come back.
#18 Jan 06 2005 at 10:45 AM Rating: Default
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Umm, not quite. The enlistee is guaranteed 30 days paid leave per year. While certain instances of leave can be denied for various reasons, ultimately the service is contractually obligated to give him leave. It is not a priviledge. If for whatever reason, he has been unable to use any accrued leave before separating from the service, he has to be paid in full for every day he still has on the books.


Look I have spent 15 years in the USMC and leave IS a priviledge. Though you accrue 2.5 days of leave a month the opportunity to take that leave is a priviledge. The service is not obligated to give him leave or even regular liberty for that matter. I cant count the # of days of leave that I have lost due to the inablity to use them. (you can only carry 60 days over the fiscal year) The fact of the matter is e should have been in the brig. Someone ie his CO screwed up royally and his/her career is probably over.

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There's also a pretty good chance that they wanted to be rid of this guy, so they may very well have given him the leave hoping he wouldn't come back.
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You're kidding right? You have obviously spent no time in the military. Desertion during a time of war is one of the worst things you can do while in the military. It's punishable by death for crying out loud. This isnt just some job you just walk away from like in the civilian world. Uncle Sam really frowns on **** like that. He dishonored his Unit and the USMC believe me they want their pound of flesh.

Edited, Thu Jan 6 10:49:05 2005 by DamthebiTch
#19 Jan 06 2005 at 10:46 AM Rating: Decent
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TStephens wrote:
I'm just wondering if he'll claim that he was kidnapped again?


Wonder if they'll find him duct taped under the dashboard of a car crossing the border.

Hooray for thread merge!

Then I wonder if he's on some super sekrit deep cover assignment. Or maybe I read too much Ken Follett. Hard to say.
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#21REDACTED, Posted: Jan 06 2005 at 2:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) hmmmm, lets see.......
#22 Jan 06 2005 at 2:34 PM Rating: Default
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he did the right thing


He's a coward and so are you for that matter asshat, regardless of how you feel about our presence in Iraq.
#24 Jan 06 2005 at 3:52 PM Rating: Default
whoops.

hit the damn post msg by accident.

Edited, Thu Jan 6 16:00:09 2005 by DamthebiTch
#25 Jan 06 2005 at 3:59 PM Rating: Default
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hmmmm, lets see.......

risk spending time in jail.......or go to a country to kill people for political reasons, and risk being killed myself.......

loose a few years of freedom......or commit a crime against humanity and loose my soul forever..........

wear prison stripes........or wear fatigues spattered with the blood of innocents, and mabe a couple bad guys too........

he did the right thing.

fighting for your country is one thing. butchering people for politicians is a war crime.

think about it. its a catch 22 situation, like the prisoner abuse scandel. you go to the brigg if you dont follow orders, yet, you go to jail if you do.

dude, turn yourself in and wear the strips for a few years. with Bush in office, you can count on this lunacy continuing for another 4 years atleast anyway. trade a safe hell in the brigg for a soul damning hell killing human beings for political reasons. it is the right course of action.


You're a MORAN.
So I guess someone kidnapped him and took him to the Marine recruiter and forced him to sign up. Then forced him to get through Boot camp, MCT, his MOS (military occupational specialty) school, and get promoted to Cpl, sent to Iraq and fight half the war before he decided that what he was doing was wrong in your mind?

Besides the fact that the original op wasnt a commentary on what the Cpl did, rather the fact that his Command let someone who is an obvious flight risk go on leave.
#26 Jan 06 2005 at 4:12 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh.. I'm not the first to mention this but Shadowrelm is the liberal Varrus.

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