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#1 Dec 13 2004 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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I just got phone polled by Zogby's. They asked me the expected questions: How much do I think Bush sucks, Do I think Bush is an Asshat, and do I prefer Jesusland or the Untied Christian States of America as the new name for our great country?

Zogby's also asked a few unexpected questions, apparently the Alaskan oil drilling thing is still up in the air and some in congress want to budget for it although the drilling itself has not been approved. The question to that one was do I think it is forward thinking or a backdoor attempt to get around congress to budget for the drilling. They also, of course, asked if I thought drilling in Alaska is a good idea at all despite repeated warnings by everyone and their mother that it won’t lower oil prices and domestic consumers would not see any oil from the area for more than ten years.

The other unexpected question was whether I believed a single global currency would be a good thing for the U.S. and the world or not. This one really threw me. The way the question was worded led me to believe it would be a good thing because it would raise the standard of living world wide for various reasons I can't remember well enough to write down here. My thinking on that would be that in order for the third world's standard of living to raise even a slight bit the U.S. and other first world countries would have to let their standards of living drop considerably but the very idea would also drive varrass insane so I had to pause and think for a moment before answering.

So anyone else get polled?
#2 Dec 13 2004 at 7:18 PM Rating: Decent
A world-wide currency standard.. Yeah great idea! A flood in China fuxxors the US economy.. Boo, hiss, go other team!
#3 Dec 13 2004 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
Oil drilling in Alaska is a very bad idea. And a world currency? That's insane, nobody would dare put their name on that measure. Australia, maybe.
#4 Dec 13 2004 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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Untied Christian States of America
No need for fixing.

You trying to make the Nobmeister redundant?!!!

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#5 Dec 13 2004 at 7:27 PM Rating: Good
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The Great GitSlayer wrote:


The other unexpected question was whether I believed a single global currency would be a good thing for the U.S. and the world or not. This one really threw me. The way the question was worded led me to believe it would be a good thing because it would raise the standard of living world wide for various reasons I can't remember well enough to write down here.


And people wonder why I always question poll results...

If the way a question is worded implies *anything* to you about the issue, then the poll results are going to be tainted and meaningless (except perhaps to whomever paid for the poll and slanted the question in the first place).

sigh...
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#6 Dec 13 2004 at 7:31 PM Rating: Decent
I tend to think the oil drilling is a good thing, but maybe in about ten years from NOW. As in, let hydrogen powered vehicles develop and begin to come into use here to lower our dependence on fossil feuls. Then, we drill Alaska to supply developing countries like China and India (among others). Not only does keeping a hold on Alaska help elevate America into the Hydrogen and Nano- Age, but we'll also make a killing on the world market with the oil we held onto.. It's really a national treasure, and until people start looking at it that way instead of "OMGWTFXXORZ WE NEED TEH OIL!" then we'll be that much better off in the future.

As a side note, it also allows excavating technologies to get better so there is less risk to the environment when drilling does begin as well.
#7 Dec 13 2004 at 7:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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As I've said many times before, no one is claiming that polling is perfect. It's just better than any other means of determining public opinion than any other we have at your disposal. When you come up with the perfect method of getting public opinion, let someone know.
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#8 Dec 13 2004 at 7:47 PM Rating: Decent
I personally regard Zogby as a piece of crud polling company due to the Kerry-kicking-*** predictions. Sigh, such a let down.
#9 Dec 13 2004 at 7:57 PM Rating: Decent
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I've been on Zogby's all thru the election cycle but never seem to get the phone-polls. Instead they usually send me their e-mail polls, I receieved that last one around Thanksgiving.
The poll was also a bunch of questions about Jesusland and how I felt about the environment, but none about the world currency.
Maybe one of these days I'll actually get to do one of their phone polls, after all I did give them my phone# for it.
#10 Dec 13 2004 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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Four years from now when John "I'm a lapsed Democrat" McCain and Hillary "the Hellbitch" Clinton run for office and Zogby has one of them to win I'll know to apply for Canadian citizenship.

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#11 Dec 14 2004 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Four years from now when John "I'm a lapsed Democrat" McCain and Hillary "the Hellbitch" Clinton run for office and Zogby has one of them to win I'll know to apply for Canadian citizenship.

Totem


I'm no Negrodamus, but I certainly hope that crows haven't been extinct-ed in that distant future so you can eat your fill.
#12 Dec 14 2004 at 12:05 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
As I've said many times before, no one is claiming that polling is perfect. It's just better than any other means of determining public opinion than any other we have at your disposal. When you come up with the perfect method of getting public opinion, let someone know.

Viewing banner ads is the best way to get public opinion, duh.

#13REDACTED, Posted: Dec 14 2004 at 2:52 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Can anyone give me a viable reason why we shouldn't be drilling in anwar? Don't even start with it really won't reduce the price of oil because for one i'd rather american businesses get our oil money than the mid-east or russia. And as for the it'll destroy the environment bs take a good look at what anwar is it's a desolate wasteland.
#14 Dec 14 2004 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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take a good look at what anwar is it's a desolate wasteland.


One mans wasteland is another mans enviormental preserve.
#15 Dec 14 2004 at 3:23 PM Rating: Decent
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take a good look at what anwar is it's a desolate wasteland.


One species' wasteland is another species' enviorment.


FTFY
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#16 Dec 14 2004 at 3:25 PM Rating: Good
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Oh - that's right - polar bears and caribou are not white Christian males, so they don't matter. Carry on then.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#17REDACTED, Posted: Dec 14 2004 at 4:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Debo,
#18 Dec 14 2004 at 5:16 PM Rating: Decent
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Of course there's an ulterior motive. I'm a dirty smelly Liberal aren't I? My scheming motive was to taunt you into responding.

Go me! Smiley: yippee

You even quoted an (unnamed) source which actually backs up your statement. While unexpected, I applaud your effort.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#19 Dec 14 2004 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
As I've said many times before, no one is claiming that polling is perfect. It's just better than any other means of determining public opinion than any other we have at your disposal. When you come up with the perfect method of getting public opinion, let someone know.


Sure. There's no "perfect" method, but there are ways that are "less flawed" then some polling methods out there. For starters, there are certainly ways of phrasing questions that bias the answers, and ways that dont. Additionally, what options you give the person for answers can bias the results as well.

I recall a zogby poll just prior to the election which someone used as justification for people caring about the economy more then the war on terror. When I examined the poll methodology though, it turned out that zogby loaded the answers to make it look that way (intentional or not, that was the result since the results were being used to justify the idea that economy was the most important issue).

In this case, they'd asked people what they considered the most important thing, but split war on terror issues into four different catagories (war in Afghanistan, war in Iraq, Homeland security, and a nebulous "foreign affairs"). When you added the four up, they totalled more then the single "economy" answer. Even after pointing this out, several people were still of the opinion that the economy mattered more to voters then anything else.

That's just one example, but you can see bias in almost every poll. Some more then others. Zogby is really bad about this from what I've seen...
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#20 Dec 14 2004 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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Although drilling proponents often say there are 16 billion barrels of oil under the refuge's coastal plain, the U.S. Geological Service says the amount that could be recovered economically -- that is, the amount likely to be profitably extracted and sold -- is roughly 3.2 billion barrels, or only a six-month U.S. supply. Moreover, it would take 10 years for that oil to reach the pump, and even when production peaks -- in the distant year of 2027 -- the refuge would produce less than 2 percent of the oil Americans are expected to use that year


Look! I can quote site without citing them to!
#21REDACTED, Posted: Dec 15 2004 at 11:22 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Debo,
#22 Dec 15 2004 at 1:17 PM Rating: Decent
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varrussword wrote:
Debo,

I know liberals have trouble reading my bad. My quote clearly states it's a study by the u.s. geological service. Now do yourself a favor and put 2 and 2 together and you might find where I got the info

Varus

The quoted article states that, sure. The article itself could very well have come from The Sun for all I know.

Before making my posts yesterday I was browsing around the ANWR sites and reading up on the situations there.

From ANWR.org:
No Negative Impact on Animals Oil and gas development and wildlife are successfully coexisting in Alaska 's arctic. For example, the Central Arctic Caribou Herd (CACH) which migrates through Prudhoe Bay has grown from 3000 animals to its current level of 32,000 animals. The arctic oil fields have very healthy brown bear, fox and bird populations equal to their surrounding areas.

I know what your deal is; you have a hard-on for arguing Liberal thinking (anything that doesn't parrot neo-con christian rhetoric). I just like watching you foam at the mouth.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
#23REDACTED, Posted: Dec 15 2004 at 1:48 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Debo,
#24 Dec 15 2004 at 1:57 PM Rating: Default
Zogby Poll lost all validity and credibility when they predicted Kerry as a unanymous winner in the past election. They had him up nearly like 120 electoral votes or something lol. They could of atleast watched the news or called some red states to of had a better poll outcome. IMO The Onion > Zogby Polls
#25 Dec 15 2004 at 3:32 PM Rating: Decent
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Reading comprehension? ANWR.org says that the Arctic Reserve is doing just fine and that oil development would have very minimal, almost negligible, impact. Raving lunatics, indeed.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
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