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#1 Dec 07 2004 at 4:56 PM Rating: Decent
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I brought this prodigious rant screaming into this world over on the OOT forum. Since I know alot of you are BIG fans of that place, I decided to pester and enlighten the lot of you blokes here. Enjoy. Do waht thou wilt:

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Paradigm = A set of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality for the community that shares them, especially in an intellectual discipline.

This is our programing.

However, the construct of our being as a whole, dare I call it "soul" is complex and operates on many levels of the universe.

Our "normal" consciousness is only within one of these layers. That is to say that there are other "parts" of you that you are not generally aware of.

These "other parts" of your "soul" operate outside of the realms of our "paradigm", whether you are aware of, believe in them, or not.


I see it as there being an ULTIMATE TRUTH. Call it God for short. We are in essence "automatons" of God.

Picture it like a waterfall:
At the source is "God" which flows from itself.
This "flow" trickles down through all of the layers of existance and solidifies and collects at the bottom into waht we know as the physical world.
In this sence we see God and all of the Rules of the Universe as a set of concepts.. graspable and not.

Our being follows this pattern as well. The source for each of us is this "Truth" or "God". All of the layers of our "Soul" are filtering in a sense, all of the essence of "God".

I break it down to 3 basic "parts".

Your Divine Link:
part of you that is directly in contact with the source. This part of you is essentially the "GOD" version of yourself.
Ponder the implections of this. Think of God not as a Creator Diety, but more as a vast well of knowledge that flow outward into the universe. Forget about time. Forget about Good and Evil. This is ALL.

Your Normal Conciousness
This is waht people generally Think with. It is the most basic version of yourself. It is yourself after being filtered. This is the part that you hear in your head when you are thinking. It is the most blatant and straightforward part of you. It is waht allows us to see physical Earth on Physical Earths terms. This includes the Words that we have labeled things with. This includes all of the opinions and habits that you have been molded by all of your life. This is the part that is mostly effected by your physical environment. This parts actions are only reflections of the TRUE actions of your Divine Self.

your Child or Inner Self
This is the most difficult to explain. This is sort of the filter between your Normal Self and your Divine. It is right inbetween. It is the classic subconcious. When you hear a word or see a color or a shape or an image of anykind, this is the part of it that associates that image, or color, or concept to an emotion. Emotions are thoughts without words in a sence. The Child does not recognize Good and Evil, or right and wrong. This is the part that will Translate all of the mundane concepts like sports, weather, video games, the local news, and everything that you can think of..... this part translates that into a Divine Concept. Thus all things in your life are treated like a metaphor of sorts for the greater "things" that your Divine Self are making happen.
As an example, Wehn a Baby see's a red cup and gets hit on the head with it. In the future, even AFTER the normal conciosnous has been developed... that "child" aspect is still buried in there... and it will remember that RED CUP.... so the color red, or just cups in general will have an associated emotion with it. This example is on the lower scale..... this concept goes along with Every aspect of life.

So if you view the Soul as Immortal as I do, you will see that our "Conscious Self" is the most fleeting and dynamic. Our "Divine Self" is eternal and all knowing. Our "Child Self" is translator of our existance.

All of this if for the growth of our soul. So in essence you are ALwaYS learning SOMTHING and are always GROWING in some form. Even if you have no idea waht is going on, Somthing inside of you does know.


or I could jsut be @#%^ing crazy.
you decide. but i think i'm pretty right.(don't we all)

To learn to Think Beyond your normal concious self is enlightenment. That is, to learn to "see" with your Child. You will be looking past the mundane world and begin to notice patterns and meaning in everything you see.

Any LACK of meaning that you see, is only lack of understanding.





Edited, Tue Dec 7 17:03:16 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#2 Dec 07 2004 at 5:06 PM Rating: Good
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This post brings up a very good point boys and girls...

Don't do drugs.
#3 Dec 07 2004 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent
baby penguins are brown!
#4 Dec 07 2004 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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Kelv wrote:
Any LACK of meaning that you see, is only my lack of ability to communicate
DEEP!

Oh, and Fixed
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#5 Dec 07 2004 at 5:19 PM Rating: Decent
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The "info" of that post was useful. As useful as me telling you that a dime in my pocket was minted in 1981.
#6 Dec 07 2004 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
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When you hear a word or see a color or a shape or an image of anykind, this is the part of it that associates that image, or color, or concept to an emotion. Emotions are thoughts without words in a sence.


Genius, absofukinlutely brilliant. Whodda' thunk?

"Sentence fragment" comes to mind.
#7 Dec 07 2004 at 5:29 PM Rating: Decent
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One word.
That's a hell of word, gotta be a ***** on the spell check.
#8 Dec 07 2004 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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absofuc[i][/i]kinlutely
Ahh Tmesis!

Today's word.

Tmesis

Look it up
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#9 Dec 07 2004 at 5:41 PM Rating: Good
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Tmesis


Sounds like an STD.

"That damn $2 ***** gave me Tmesis!"
#10 Dec 07 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
Thank you for enlightening us. Why do people feel it necessary to always "enlighten" everyone.

No wonder Bush won..

opps did i say that out loud ><



Edited, Tue Dec 7 17:51:58 2004 by Cncargo
#11 Dec 07 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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baby penguins are brown!


Baby warthogs are just about the cutest things going. Imagine tiny little pigs with the markings of a chipmonk.
#12 Dec 07 2004 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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Baby warthogs are just about the cutest things going. Imagine tiny little pigs with the markings of a chipmonk.


You mean they run around oinking and trying to stuff nuts in their cheeks?

Sounds like my ex-girlfriend.
#13 Dec 07 2004 at 6:13 PM Rating: Good
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I'll answer this post the same way I answered the God post in the Sandbox, with the words of David Hume.
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Demea: It is my opinion, I own, replied Demea, that each man feels, in a manner, the truth of religion within his own breast; and, from a consciousness of his imbecility and misery rather than from any reasoning, is led to seek the protection from that Being on whom he and all nature are dependent. So anxious or so tedious are even the best scenes of life that futurity is still the object of all our hopes and fears. We incessantly look forward and endeavor, by prayers, adoration, and sacrifice, to appease those unknown powers whom we find, by experience, so able to aflict and oppress us. Wretched creatures that we are! What resource for us amidst the innumerable ills of life did not religion suggest some methods of atonement, and appease those terrors with which we are incessantly agitated and tormented?
Fu[i][/i]cking owned.

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#14 Dec 07 2004 at 7:16 PM Rating: Decent
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you people are fu[b][/b]cking retarded.
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#15 Dec 07 2004 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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doesnt really seem to be anything to discuss here. you just made up a bunch of random crap with no reasoning to it. granted that christianity as a whole is a bunch of random made up crap with no explanation for it.

you might as well said "god is really a giant toaster oven who lives on the sun" because it would have had just as much importance (none) and would have had just as much reasoning (none).

i see no reason why anyone should beleive your kooky(-er) version of christianity.
#16 Dec 07 2004 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
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doesnt really seem to be anything to discuss here. you just made up a bunch of random crap with no reasoning to it. granted that christianity as a whole is a bunch of random made up crap with no explanation for it.

you might as well said "god is really a giant toaster oven who lives on the sun" because it would have had just as much importance (none) and would have had just as much reasoning (none).

i see no reason why anyone should beleive your kooky(-er) version of christianity.
#17 Dec 07 2004 at 8:16 PM Rating: Decent
Kelv,

Okay, so let's say the child struck by the falling red cup just detests red cups as an adult. Can't stand them. How is this "inner child" a connection to God?

I have no problem with the concept that people have a connection with God - probably most people feel that way.

I have no problem with the idea that people have a subcontious - probably most people feel that way.

I just don't understand how the subcontious is any kind of connection to God.

The connection between religion and God reminds me of Dianetics - you know the book by L. Ron Hubberd and supposedly the foundations of Scientology? Anyhow, I actually read through parts of this thing because apparently people follow this thing and I wanted to actually know something about it. Basically, Dianetics says we should locate the mental blocks we have, like the child - now adult - identifies the red cup. Then we confront that past experience and then we will overcome it - basically by talking about it (perhaps over and over again) until we have no such mental blocks left. The lie detector (they call it something fancy) is used to basically ensure you really don't have any block left.

Yet instead of seeing such "inner child" as a means to God, Dianetics claims we can get rid of it, essentially. Hubberd has some fancy words for these things when you are totally free of blocks you are a "clear" or something and I forget what the blocks are called (it is something like "trauma").

Anyhow, I am just saying I don't know what you are saying - I am not saying what you are saying is wrong. I am making an analogy to something I know a little bit about.

Further, I am NOT saying I understand Scientology. In fact, I don't understand any connection between Dianetics (the parts I read) and any kind of religion. It's more like psychology: one would go to overcome mental blocks and leave a better - i.e. less dependent - person. Whereas the Scientologists I have heard of actually seem to become dependent on it.
#18 Dec 07 2004 at 11:48 PM Rating: Decent
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not this again....
It's "puff-puff-pass" not "puff-puff-puff-puff-eat"
#19 Dec 08 2004 at 12:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Why can't you say the word "What"?



While I don't frequent posting in the Asylum, I do find it relaxing to read many of the threads here. I just posted in this one because I am intrigued by religious debates. Most of yours sadly just sounds like a bunch of blah blah blah.


If I was standing outside the Church of Kelvyquayo where all the books basically said what you have quoted there, and the Church of Angry Hippo where they believed God was a giant toaster. I'd be more inclined to walk into the Church of Angry Hippo, I just hope God is a 4 slot toaster at least.




God unlike many, has a sense of humor.
#20 Dec 08 2004 at 12:49 AM Rating: Decent
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you people are ******* retarded.


Sofa king we taw did?
#21 Dec 08 2004 at 1:51 AM Rating: Good
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Baron von Plexicus wrote:
Sofa king we taw did?


It's

(I am) Sofa King we Todd Ed.

You tard.
#22 Dec 08 2004 at 5:37 AM Rating: Good
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Seems like a load of random crap that should have had its life ended as an aneurism. But anyway, if you want to go on about a link between yourself and others you could simply describe it as pop culture design some "Divine link" pins for people to wear, then start killing people who don't wear the pins. Then you'd have more standing for the divine link arguement and could try for tax exemption.
#23 Dec 08 2004 at 12:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I didn't once mention religion OR christianity.


As far as the connection to God, I defined GOD as not a "creator diety", but as a sort of well of primordial knowledge. I am not personifying any "force" save for the personification of brain patterns that make us human beings.

So IF you were to take "god" out of the equation, it would still lead you to our deeper subconscious operating on a level all of its own.

look at idiot savonts. Their minds are obviously operation on a level that supercedes their "Normal Waking Conciousness". They have a pattern of thought that is beyond their "egos".


Now I am not reluctant to admit that their is no "Divine Entity" controlling our fate. In fact if ALL of waht I have written is looked at in a Purly psycological perspective, I would only be giving a theory of the inner workings of the human mind.

All concepts of "god" and "divinity" may well be constructs of our subconscious, and the method by which it operates is simply too subtle for the "waking mind" to grasp. The way that we cope with things that we don't understand is through trying to "communicate" with this deeper aspect of our psyches.

Thus in "Praying to God" to make things happen, we are in actuallity Praying to ourselves, we are trying to "program" ourselves to deal with a situation that our "Conscious Mind" is not equipped to handle.

We all know that the sub-conscious can be trained and conditioned. I am saying that in the form of "prayer" or "meditation" or "spell-casting" or anything within those concepts, is merely attempting to train yourself to either feel better about things in your life.

Look at is as self hypnosis.

So whether the diety known as "God" exists or NOT, the power of our sub-conscious mind is one that CAN be manipulated and through this capacity, it will have an effect on our everyday waking lives.

This is why people pray and stuff like that. It is a form of conditioning and coping, whether their is TRUTH to the petty details of their prayer, the fact of the matter is that the MIND is being manipulated. This is because no matter waht is "out there", gods, devils, or aliens...... the fact that we BELIEVE makes it so that we can change ourselves.

The labels of "gods" is merely a tool for coping with the power of the mind. If I think that by lighting some candles, making a "magic circle" and chanting to Anubis, that I can somhow improve my life..... then the fact that I BELIEVE it will make it so. That is the power of faith.

So that is another view of it. It's all in your head.


and you're all still retarded. Rate me down some more ********
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#24 Dec 08 2004 at 12:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Now Hippo, that's just stupid. Why would a toaster need to live on the sun when the toaster is clearly able to make its own heat?!!?


Sheesh.
#25 Dec 08 2004 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
Kelv i give you props for being so adamant about your beliefs. The only problem is it seems like, to me anyway, you dont realize its just that, a belief.

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you people are ******* retarded.


Now this is just completely uncalled for. Why come and make such an open and honest post about what you truly believe and then turn around and bash those that are open and honest with thier feelings and opinions on it? From your original post a response such as "Hey, I appreciate the feedback but my beliefs are my beliefs and no one can change them" would have been a little more appropriate. In general people and religions telling other people that disagree that there ************* morons" has caused the most unimaginable pain and suffering in human history. Having such hate and anger towards people that disagree with you is not a good thing.

To your second post I truly think you, and your beliefs, are giving people way to much credit in general.

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Thus in "Praying to God" to make things happen, we are in actuallity Praying to ourselves, we are trying to "program" ourselves to deal with a situation that our "Conscious Mind" is not equipped to handle.


I have found that the people that do indeed "pray to god" are doing just that. There not subconsciously praying to themselves. They are saying hey I cant do this myself, god physically get your *** over here and help me.

When a child prays at night for the well being of his friends and family he is not programming himself for something his "Conscious Mind" cant handle. He is just asking if god could maybe watch out for them.

I think it is a beautiful way to see things and I am very happy you have found something to truly believe in. I just think you are way over analyzing people's thought process when they do things such as praying to god.

I mean lets keep it real we all used to be monkeys..... ><



Edited, Wed Dec 8 14:45:56 2004 by Cncargo
#26 Dec 08 2004 at 2:54 PM Rating: Decent
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If I was standing outside the Church of Kelvyquayo where all the books basically said what you have quoted there, and the Church of Angry Hippo where they believed God was a giant toaster. I'd be more inclined to walk into the Church of Angry Hippo, I just hope God is a 4 slot toaster at least.



Most people prefer waht is easier and more convenient.



Why do you people think that waht i am saying has to do with trying to sell a religion? I know you're all not that narrow. I'm descibing my view of the human mind.

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Now this is just completely uncalled for. Why come and make such an open and honest post about what you truly believe and then turn around and bash those that are open and honest with thier feelings and opinions on it?


GFY

If i wanted to be "nice" and expected "nicety" i would post on a spritual or religious forum and not this Klingon Tavern of a forum. (of which I have never done, and prolly never will)


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I have found that the people that do indeed "pray to god" are doing just that. There not subconsciously praying to themselves. They are saying hey I cant do this myself, god physically get your *** over here and help me.



Indeed, but do you deny that somthing in their thought processes have changed?

Whether there is a God or Not, their praying for protection and guidance does effect their mind.

They Pray-
They are Aware that they Prayed-
They will feel better about things-
They will have confidence that things will 'work out'-

..and having confidence in things(no matter waht) Always makes things work out better.

So in knowing that they prayed, they will selectivly view things that happen as Results of their praying and give "God" the credit. When in Rational Reality, it is all jsut a matter of their Perception.
And if their is "God" maybe that is how it works....

Self applied Ego boosts, that alter our perception and make us thing that things are happening the way they should.

does that make sence to you "rational thinkers"?





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I mean lets keep it real we all used to be monkeys..... ><


on this note, I'll say that our "souls" and our "physical bodies" are from 2 seperate things.
Our Souls are divine and immortal and come from "god"(or wahtever you call it)
Our Bodies are merely vessels, vehicles if you will..... It doesn't mattter HOW these vessels came into being..whether from a cosmic test tube or spawned from Orcs... waht matters is that NOW they are equiped to contain the essence of our being, and that is all that matters.


Edited, Wed Dec 8 15:01:46 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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