If you plug a terrorist and say "Lefein sends his love." I will rate you up! ^^ I want my own dead dune ****!
If they hit us again I'll be over there doing it myself tho. Much love for the troops!
/high five
AMERICA, **** YEAH! Flick my buud, suck on my balls!
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1. Iraq never attacked us.
2. if you want to kill the people who did, you need to go to afganistan, or saudi arabia. so if we do get hit again, chances are you will be sent to Iraq if you join the army, and thus not ever given the opertunity to kill the people whi DID attack us.
3. terrorist means soldier. it all depends on which side of the conflict you are on as to which you get called. so you are advocating killing some poor schmuck fighting for his country, who never EVER caused us any harm pryor to invading their country. doesnt that make you a good christian.......or are you advocating shooting ANYONE in the middle east in your name?
4. if we do not change our foreign policy, we WILL be attacked again. and you WILL NOT be given the opertunity to attak them back.....unless it fits in with the political aganda of the addministraition.....or they have oil.......but rest assured, they will let you kill SOMEONE, just not necessarily the enemy.....
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A ****'s a ****, I dont care where it came from. 'Sides, you dont see anyone blowing up Yemen.... yet.
As to #1, actually Iraq attacked us multiple times since Gulf War 1. Remember the anti-aircraft missles they had been shooting up at our patroling aircraft for the past twelve years? Yes, those ones. That is an attack against our country by any measure, be that a violation of the unconditional surrender or the standard by which a ship or aircraft is considered sovereign soil.
Lastly, in terms of #4, whether we change our policy, don't change our policy, have a policy of not having a policy is immaterial. We will be attacked again regardless. Such is the nature of human nature.
This utterly refutes your argument.
Totem
Lastly, in terms of #4, whether we change our policy, don't change our policy, have a policy of not having a policy is immaterial. We will be attacked again regardless. Such is the nature of human nature.
This utterly refutes your argument.
Totem
shadowrelm wrote:
2. if you want to kill the people who did, you need to go to afganistan, or saudi arabia. so if we do get hit again, chances are you will be sent to Iraq if you join the army, and thus not ever given the opertunity to kill the people whi DID attack us.
Yeah. Because we should make no distinction between the nationalities of the people who commit terrorist acts, and the nation states that support or oppose them. Got it. That makes oodles of sense...
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3. terrorist means soldier. it all depends on which side of the conflict you are on as to which you get called. so you are advocating killing some poor schmuck fighting for his country, who never EVER caused us any harm pryor to invading their country. doesnt that make you a good christian.......or are you advocating shooting ANYONE in the middle east in your name?
Really? Then how come whenever the liberal media refers to non-uniformed combatants that we're killing in Falluja, they always list them as "civilian casualties"?
Think about that for a minute. You can't have it both ways.
I'd also add that despite the desperate attempts of most media outlets to convince everyone of the contrary, the vast majority of citizens in Iraq want the US process to succeed, are supportive of the new government, and dislike the actions and motives of the insurgents greatly. But you pretty much never hear from them. You only hear about when an innocent gets accidentally killed by our forces, or when a radical talking head has something negative to say about the US, or when some minor "questionable" issue comes up that can be spun to sound really bad for the US.
You don't hear about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who have been provided food and water and and shelter by our forces. You don't hear about the bridges being rebuilt, or the hospitals and schools and powerplants being repaired and reopened (you do hear about how "evil" Halliburton is for getting paid to do that though). You don't hear about the lives being saved. You don't hear about the amazing strides being made towards free elections in that country. You don't hear about the suicide attacks by insurgents against Iraqi citizens. You don't hear about the continous attacks by a small number of mostly non-Iraqi insurgents in the area and the deplorable tactics being used. You don't hear about how they hide out among women and children when firing on US troops. You don't hear about how they use "off limit" sites like mosques as supply depots and hardpoints.
You don't hear that because your media doesn't want you to realize that the people we are fighting against really are "bad guys". They aren't freedom fighters protecting their soil and their families. They are people who have an agenda that has nothing to do with empowering Iraq and it's people, and everything to do with empowering themselves, and if they can sucker some young muslim kid into thinking they're fighting for a cause, then that's all the better.
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Explained wrote:
Ha Ha. I know I am not loved,,, Anyways most of you know I am stuck in Iraq,,, here is some info that just got released to us.
Number of Mosques in Falluja 100
Number of Mosques used as Fighting Position/Weapons Cache 60
Hospitals used as Defensive Positions 3
Improvised Explosive Device Factories 11
Slaughter House/Torture Chambers 3
Number of Major Weapons Storage Areas in City 203
Evidence of Foriegn Fighter involvement 2
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155mm Artillery Rounds 8+
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Number of Mosques in Falluja 100
Number of Mosques used as Fighting Position/Weapons Cache 60
Hospitals used as Defensive Positions 3
Improvised Explosive Device Factories 11
Slaughter House/Torture Chambers 3
Number of Major Weapons Storage Areas in City 203
Evidence of Foriegn Fighter involvement 2
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155mm Artillery Rounds 8+
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Explained, ours or theirs? The upper list I assume refers to the insurgents, but the lower list is it how much the US has used or the insurgents?
I'm assuming that's a list of munitions (and other stuff) found and/or seized by US forces in the area. Thus, that's stuff that *they* had. This isn't just a bunch of guys with a few old rusty rifles and home made weapons.
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More words please
Yeah. Because we should make no distinction between the nationalities of the people who commit terrorist acts, and the nation states that support or oppose them. Got it. That makes oodles of sense...
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there is currently, by Bush,s own addmission, ZERO EVIDENCE to show iraq or saddam hussin was in any way involved with the people who attacked us.
if, however, you are trying to make a case that if people "a" attack us, we should attack people "b" or people "c" because they MIGHT attack us someday......while only giving a token response to people "a" ......then you are a Bush man.
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Really? Then how come whenever the liberal media refers to non-uniformed combatants that we're killing in Falluja, they always list them as "civilian casualties"?
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when the "liberal media" (read any news source that does not promote the policies of the Bush addministraition through out the world) refers to "civilian casualties",....mostly it is in referance to the women and children killed that is reported by the AP (a non biased news organization....there for deemed "liberal" by any and all republicans) when they get through digging through the rubble of one of our attacks.
health organizations throughout iraq, including the red cross.....another liberal organization as they do not promote any political organization, and thus are not "with us" there for are "against us" according to the repuiblican mentality......have reported over 100,000 civilian casualties. these are people who were counted as best they could count them, as they came through emergency rooms and make shift hospitols.
tney do not include those who died on the spot, or were buried before reaching help.
they guestamate the actual number of "non-combantant" deaths closer to over 200,000 people.
you drop a 500 lb bomb on a church or hospitol because intellegance says bad guys are there.....you may actually kill 10 to 15 bad guys. you will also kill ten times that number of people NOT FIGHTING.
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here is something that was not shwon on ANY AMERICAN MEDIA outlet.
remember the government saying they were turning back men aged 15 to 65 during the falluja take over?
in international satilite, NON EMBEDED journalist showed vidio of american troops shooting scores of people as they tried to swim across the effraities river trying to escape the volance.
we shot them in the river.....unarmed.....posing no threat whatso ever. teens, yong men, and women who could not be immediatly distinguished as female.
this was on tv in EVERY country BUT OURS.
our media, as a whole, is NOT SHOWING americans what is actually going on over there. our watch dogs have been muzzeled......just like viatnam.
we butcherd scores of people trying to find refuge....without even giving them the chance to be arrested. no warnings, just opened fire on them in the water.
we have killed THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of INNOCENT human beings. people in a country whose only crime was being born in the wrong place.
how you can spinn a half naked teen swimming across a river as an "enemy combatant" is beyond me. the addministraition didnt even try, they just censored it from the american public.
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there is currently, by Bush,s own addmission, ZERO EVIDENCE to show iraq or saddam hussin was in any way involved with the people who attacked us.
if, however, you are trying to make a case that if people "a" attack us, we should attack people "b" or people "c" because they MIGHT attack us someday......while only giving a token response to people "a" ......then you are a Bush man.
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Really? Then how come whenever the liberal media refers to non-uniformed combatants that we're killing in Falluja, they always list them as "civilian casualties"?
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when the "liberal media" (read any news source that does not promote the policies of the Bush addministraition through out the world) refers to "civilian casualties",....mostly it is in referance to the women and children killed that is reported by the AP (a non biased news organization....there for deemed "liberal" by any and all republicans) when they get through digging through the rubble of one of our attacks.
health organizations throughout iraq, including the red cross.....another liberal organization as they do not promote any political organization, and thus are not "with us" there for are "against us" according to the repuiblican mentality......have reported over 100,000 civilian casualties. these are people who were counted as best they could count them, as they came through emergency rooms and make shift hospitols.
tney do not include those who died on the spot, or were buried before reaching help.
they guestamate the actual number of "non-combantant" deaths closer to over 200,000 people.
you drop a 500 lb bomb on a church or hospitol because intellegance says bad guys are there.....you may actually kill 10 to 15 bad guys. you will also kill ten times that number of people NOT FIGHTING.
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here is something that was not shwon on ANY AMERICAN MEDIA outlet.
remember the government saying they were turning back men aged 15 to 65 during the falluja take over?
in international satilite, NON EMBEDED journalist showed vidio of american troops shooting scores of people as they tried to swim across the effraities river trying to escape the volance.
we shot them in the river.....unarmed.....posing no threat whatso ever. teens, yong men, and women who could not be immediatly distinguished as female.
this was on tv in EVERY country BUT OURS.
our media, as a whole, is NOT SHOWING americans what is actually going on over there. our watch dogs have been muzzeled......just like viatnam.
we butcherd scores of people trying to find refuge....without even giving them the chance to be arrested. no warnings, just opened fire on them in the water.
we have killed THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of INNOCENT human beings. people in a country whose only crime was being born in the wrong place.
how you can spinn a half naked teen swimming across a river as an "enemy combatant" is beyond me. the addministraition didnt even try, they just censored it from the american public.
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