I'm a bit confused about all this leg humping going on by the left over Colin Powell. I mean, wtf...I could have told you he was going to be leaving two years ago if Bush was re-elected. Hell all the news organizations that are now humping his leg coulda told you it two years ago, and it wasn't because of this "yes man" crap.
Wasn't anyone watching when Powell took us to the U.N.? Why don't any of these "news" agencies remember the fact that Powell was the one that convinced the Bush administration to go to the U.N., and assured them we would receive support from both France and Germany. I remember it because to me, it was one of the biggest tactical errors that occured...and was a huge blow to Powell's credibility. Up until that point, he was the golden boy...after that point, he kinda faded into the background and with good reason.
This isn't to say Powell is a bad person, or that he isn't a smart man. All I'm saying was that when that all went down at the U.N., I knew the guy was screwed...hell you probably all posted it here at the time as well, but have just forgotten about it.
So for those talking about Bush looking for a "yes man" (or woman, as it were), I'd submit to you that Bush trusted Powell's judgement on one of the most important policy decisions in the past fifty years over his own, and it turned out that Powell was wrong. That to me is reason enough for the guy to lose his job, and it to me is the main reason.
On a side note, I felt real bad about how all that went down, I've always liked Colin Powell. We're all imperfect individuals, and it's unfortunate that when his time to make a mistake came, it came on such a grand scale...que sera, sera.
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Let's play "Blame the Nig[u][/u]ger!"
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/17/the_truth_about_colin_powell/
Edited, Wed Nov 17 13:23:37 2004 by pickleprince
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/17/the_truth_about_colin_powell/
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The case can be made, of course, that resigning would have accomplished nothing and that Powell was able to have far more influence inside the tent than outside it. On Iraq, for example, Powell has made clear (in his scarcely concealed leaks to Bob Woodward) that he had real reservations about the war and that he warned the president and other Cabinet members how costly an intervention in Iraq could be. But once it became clear that Bush was going to act, Powell decided to try to shape the strategy rather than oppose it. As his friend General Anthony Zinni put it, Powell concluded that "we're going down this road and he wants to keep steering the train."
Edited, Wed Nov 17 13:23:37 2004 by pickleprince
Um...so everytime someone gets fired or resigns, it's a blame game thing? Does anyone ever actually get fired for legitimate reasons, or resign for their own personal reasons? Call me crazy, but things are not always a soap opera. Wait...why am I even responding to you pickle? Doing that is equivalent to banging my head against a brick wall...though I do enjoy beating up on myself a bit from time to time.
xtremereign wrote:
why am I even responding to you pickle?though I do enjoy beating up on myself a bit from time to time.
XTREME TO THE MAX!
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I totally agree with pickleprince.
Well, Powell and I were making out and got real turned on but he was afraid his parents would be home soon and didn't want us to get undressed. Dry humping seemed the next best thing.
Belkira wrote:
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X wrote:
Um...so everytime someone gets fired or resigns, it's a blame game thing? Does anyone ever actually get fired for legitimate reasons, or resign for their own personal reasons? Call me crazy, but things are not always a soap opera. Wait...why am I even responding to you pickle? Doing that is equivalent to banging my head against a brick wall...though I do enjoy beating up on myself a bit from time to time.
Let me crystallize this for you.
You wrote:
Wasn't anyone watching when Powell took us to the U.N.? Why don't any of these "news" agencies remember the fact that Powell was the one that convinced the Bush administration to go to the U.N., and assured them we would receive support from both France and Germany. I remember it because to me, it was one of the biggest tactical errors that occured...and was a huge blow to Powell's credibility. Up until that point, he was the golden boy...after that point, he kinda faded into the background and with good reason.
Is THAT statement not blaming Colin Powell?
Colin Powell did what he could with a situation that HE DIDN'T agree with. You could make the argument that he was a AWESOME teamplayer to go as far as he did.
Read the damn article I linked....pretty please.
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Um...so everytime someone gets fired or resigns, it's a blame game thing? Does anyone ever actually get fired for legitimate reasons, or resign for their own personal reasons?
You don't know a whole hell of a lot about Beltway politics, do you?
Powell was hung out to dry. He was cut loose, ultimately, because he wasn't enough of a yes man. The fact that you don't want to hear it doesn't affect the truth one iota.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Prince pickleprince wrote:
Let's play "Blame the Nig[u][/u]ger!"
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NephthysWanderer, Eater of Souls wrote:
xtremereign wrote:
why am I even responding to you pickle?though I do enjoy beating up on myself a bit from time to time.
XTREME TO THE MAX!
Yep, I hear retards often take out their frustrations on themselves sometimes when confronted with firm logic and superior intellect.
Prince pickleprince wrote:
NephthysWanderer, Eater of Souls wrote:
xtremereign wrote:
why am I even responding to you pickle?though I do enjoy beating up on myself a bit from time to time.
XTREME TO THE MAX!
Yep, I hear retards often take out their frustrations on themselves sometimes when confronted with firm logic and superior intellect.
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If he didn't agree with it then, he should have resigned then. I truly believe though, in hind sight, that going to the U.N. was a bad idea. So yes, for that single issue I do blame Colin Powell...not a ******, a man, for his failings. I don't think his intentions were poor, I just think his decision was.
Going to the U.N. forced the confrontation with France, Germany, and Russia. We actually listened to them say "no" to the whole deal, then went along anyway. We made it clear we were doing our own thing regardless, which most countries do by the way, but we left no political maneuverablility.
I understand it was a very complex situation. Still, had we never asked for "permission" we never would have had to go against it. It would have been far less insulting to certain countries pride, and left us (America) in a better state globally.
Would it have been better without ever going to the U.N.? That's like asking would Gore have handled things better...you can guess but can't know. I can say that I personally try to avoid situations that would force me to burn bridges until absolutely necessary...and the U.N. deal, if they knew where they were heading regardless, was just a really poor play.
Going to the U.N. forced the confrontation with France, Germany, and Russia. We actually listened to them say "no" to the whole deal, then went along anyway. We made it clear we were doing our own thing regardless, which most countries do by the way, but we left no political maneuverablility.
I understand it was a very complex situation. Still, had we never asked for "permission" we never would have had to go against it. It would have been far less insulting to certain countries pride, and left us (America) in a better state globally.
Would it have been better without ever going to the U.N.? That's like asking would Gore have handled things better...you can guess but can't know. I can say that I personally try to avoid situations that would force me to burn bridges until absolutely necessary...and the U.N. deal, if they knew where they were heading regardless, was just a really poor play.
xtremereign wrote:
we left no political maneuverablility.
How was that's Powell's fault?
Gadin
Edited, Wed Nov 17 13:50:25 2004 by Gadin
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Prince pickleprince wrote:
NephthysWanderer, Eater of Souls wrote:
xtremereign wrote:why am I even responding to you pickle?though I do enjoy beating up on myself a bit from time to time.
XTREME TO THE MAX!
Yep, I hear retards often take out their frustrations on themselves sometimes when confronted with firm logic and superior intellect.
PWN'd.
NephthysWanderer, Eater of Souls wrote:
xtremereign wrote:why am I even responding to you pickle?though I do enjoy beating up on myself a bit from time to time.
XTREME TO THE MAX!
Yep, I hear retards often take out their frustrations on themselves sometimes when confronted with firm logic and superior intellect.
PWN'd.
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