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I agree with bodpot. Make them all legal and let people decide for themselves what to do with it. I have done coke on a few occasions and acid once, and haven't become addicted to either. I quit smoking pot for some time, the only hard part is when you're around people toking up. But alcohol and cigarettes aren't safe for you either, but like bodpot said we have surgeon's warnings on those, so why not something worse? Why make it illegal for somebody to do what they want with themselves? We have too many laws on a personal aspect. We should shift the laws towards a more social aspect.
Heheheh, I've already posted my opinion, but i wanted to address this lil tidbit i caught on page 4...
Im pretty sure that since Jesus was endorsing alcohol(turning water into wine) that Im pretty sure he was smoking.
the WINE in the bible that jesus used is unfermented grape juice BTW not alcoholic wine. Just a FYI hehehehehe.
Im all for you guys smoking pot and doin drugs... more job openings and less competition for me... WEEEEE!!!!
Just a curious Queston here... i hear acid stays in your body for like 30+ years... true or false? If so... you acid users have a good time passing drug tests!!!
Im pretty sure that since Jesus was endorsing alcohol(turning water into wine) that Im pretty sure he was smoking.
the WINE in the bible that jesus used is unfermented grape juice BTW not alcoholic wine. Just a FYI hehehehehe.
Im all for you guys smoking pot and doin drugs... more job openings and less competition for me... WEEEEE!!!!
Just a curious Queston here... i hear acid stays in your body for like 30+ years... true or false? If so... you acid users have a good time passing drug tests!!!
To the OP:
Marijuana- Should it be Illegal?
No, tax it to hell.
Marijuana- Should it be Illegal?
No, tax it to hell.
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Im all for you guys smoking pot and doin drugs... more job openings and less competition for me... WEEEEE!!!!
In what field could that possibly make a difference? Specifically, which field are you referring to?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Maddstarr wrote:
the WINE in the bible that jesus used is unfermented grape juice BTW not alcoholic wine. Just a FYI hehehehehe.
That is ********* Grapes are a deciduous fruit, that are ready for harvest once a year. They didn't have preservatives and/or refridgerators, so fermentation would begin to take place the next day after turning them into juice.
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Im all for you guys smoking pot and doin drugs... more male **** openings and **** sucking for me... WEEEEE!!!!
You go, girl!
I love fundamentalist Christians. They are just so huggably naive.
Laviont... surely you arent that naive to think no preservation of fruit was possible by the jews etc...
but incase you are... here are 2 links... one defends the theory of wine being unfermented grape juice, and the second is how they preserved fruits for entire years...
Wine is grape juice...
Grapes preserved all year...
so Patrician... I am still "huggably naive"?
but incase you are... here are 2 links... one defends the theory of wine being unfermented grape juice, and the second is how they preserved fruits for entire years...
Wine is grape juice...
Grapes preserved all year...
so Patrician... I am still "huggably naive"?
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Just a curious Queston here... i hear acid stays in your body for like 30+ years... true or false? If so... you acid users have a good time passing drug tests!!!
Yes acid does stay in your system for a very long time. Not sure if 30 years is accurate. The bad thing with acid is you may, at some point in the futur, experience a flashback. Therefore if traces of acid are found in your system certain jobs are no longer available to you. Like doctor.
And you say you're happy we smoke weed cause it opens jobs for you? Man I am at a 3.8 GPA and I smoke daily. I'm one of the highest in all my classes and am already lined up with a job through the co-op program. Anybody can achieve great things if they put their mind to it, despite smoking weed or not. Its not like I go smoke a bong hit and then sit down to study. No I study and then smoke a bong hit after. And no all the stuff I studied does not leave my head magically like you have been lead to believe.
Lots of people think that legalizing all drugs would be a bad thing to do, but stop and think about it for a second. Of coarse it is not a popular belief, but by legalizing all drugs the government is now in complete control of the drug industry. They can tax, warn, destroy or whatever they want with the drugs. They no longer have to spend billions trying to stop the flow of illegal drugs into america because they are now on the buying end. (Although the government is most likley already a part of the drug industry) Wouldn't it just be easier to take the billions you spend on preventing the drug industry and just become the drug industry yourself? Hence being able to control it how they see fit.
EDIT: Not only that but then the government could ensure these drugs were safe. If you buy an extasy pill off the streets chances are you are ingesting a lot of buff like Drano or something. When buying off the government im sure this worry would be relieved. Also the package would tell you what you need to do to ensure you don't die while on the drug. Not all kids know that when taking extacy you should not drink alcohol and drink lots of water. Not all kids know that it drains your seritonin (sp) level and you may want to take pills to restore that level after use. Its little things like this that people don't know about drugs and end up leading to people dying from them.
By ensure they are safe I do not mean it literally. I mean ensure they are safer then they are now.
I know a lot of people who post here are parents and are probablly scared of their kids taking drugs like these. Chances are your kid will be confronted with the choice one day to try them. My advice to you is to actually teach your children the effects of the drugs and what harm can come from them. Don't just tell them not to do drugs because they may take that as a reason to do drugs. I myself was not educated to the extent I believe I should have been about drugs when growing up. My parrents and school just told you they were bad and not to do them. I was confronted with drugs and did my own research on their effects. That research gave me the knowledge to stay away from certain drugs. Tell your kid what they might be eating when ingesting extasy or that they are limiting their job opertunities by taking acid. Tell them they may become horriblly addicted to crystal method and through their entire life away. I have seen it happen. Don't make the decision for your children. Do a good job educating them and they will make the right decision.
Edited, Tue Nov 23 10:33:15 2004 by Schizaam
EDIT: Not only that but then the government could ensure these drugs were safe. If you buy an extasy pill off the streets chances are you are ingesting a lot of buff like Drano or something. When buying off the government im sure this worry would be relieved. Also the package would tell you what you need to do to ensure you don't die while on the drug. Not all kids know that when taking extacy you should not drink alcohol and drink lots of water. Not all kids know that it drains your seritonin (sp) level and you may want to take pills to restore that level after use. Its little things like this that people don't know about drugs and end up leading to people dying from them.
By ensure they are safe I do not mean it literally. I mean ensure they are safer then they are now.
I know a lot of people who post here are parents and are probablly scared of their kids taking drugs like these. Chances are your kid will be confronted with the choice one day to try them. My advice to you is to actually teach your children the effects of the drugs and what harm can come from them. Don't just tell them not to do drugs because they may take that as a reason to do drugs. I myself was not educated to the extent I believe I should have been about drugs when growing up. My parrents and school just told you they were bad and not to do them. I was confronted with drugs and did my own research on their effects. That research gave me the knowledge to stay away from certain drugs. Tell your kid what they might be eating when ingesting extasy or that they are limiting their job opertunities by taking acid. Tell them they may become horriblly addicted to crystal method and through their entire life away. I have seen it happen. Don't make the decision for your children. Do a good job educating them and they will make the right decision.
Edited, Tue Nov 23 10:33:15 2004 by Schizaam
Hmmm. Maybe Jesus didn't get drunk.
He was capable of turning water into wine.
Ever consider the thought that maybe he invented wine with that first transformation.
Ever consider the thought that maybe he invented wine with that first transformation.
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Posted: Nov 22 2004 at 3:57 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Should weed be legal? To be blunt yes. Now will it ever be legal, maybe sometime in the future not anytime soon.
Zadiel wrote...
"He was capable of turning water into wine."
"Ever consider the thought that maybe he invented wine with that first transformation."
the arguement here is that the wine Jesus created was simply unfermented grape juice, not alcoholic wine...
laviont, you would be correct... Jesus was not a drunk or joint smoker.
"He was capable of turning water into wine."
"Ever consider the thought that maybe he invented wine with that first transformation."
the arguement here is that the wine Jesus created was simply unfermented grape juice, not alcoholic wine...
laviont, you would be correct... Jesus was not a drunk or joint smoker.
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Im all for you guys smoking pot and doin drugs... more job openings and less competition for me... WEEEEE!!!!
I was talking about this comment naive boy. I have no interest in futile specualtion of the theoretical nature of the wine that Jesus, who may or may not have even existed, drank/magiced out of a hat.
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From a government that supports alcohol, putting a legal penalty on MJ is two-faced. It's clasic 'reefer-madness' mentality.
From a society that advertizes drugs on TV, making marijuana a crime is a mixed message.
Alcohol is related to hundreds (if not thousands) of health problems. Alcohol is a major factor in domestic violence and drunk driving fatalities. But you can go to the corner store and buy a 6-pack quick and cheap. The government makes a pretty penny off of alcohol sales.
If marijuana is legalized then the 'thrill' of doing something illeagle is removed. The government could make MORE tax money from the sales of marijuana. Organized crime would take a hit to revenue, and weaken.
The need for border patrols to intercept marijuana as it enters would be reduced to charging a fine for any declared marijuana/tobacco/fruit and veggies. The border patrols would then be free to do thier job of PROTECTING us from outside threats.
Marijuana as a gateway drug? Balderdash. The folks who smoke reefer are not, (for the most part) hard core drug users. There will ALWAYS be those who get drawn into whatever pulls them in. This has been the case for all time. Blaming marijuana is short sighted.
ANY drug or alcohol abuse is a sign of a disturbed mind. USE of said products by a responsible person should be up to thier own choice. These is a HUGE difference between USE and ABUSE.
From a society that advertizes drugs on TV, making marijuana a crime is a mixed message.
Alcohol is related to hundreds (if not thousands) of health problems. Alcohol is a major factor in domestic violence and drunk driving fatalities. But you can go to the corner store and buy a 6-pack quick and cheap. The government makes a pretty penny off of alcohol sales.
If marijuana is legalized then the 'thrill' of doing something illeagle is removed. The government could make MORE tax money from the sales of marijuana. Organized crime would take a hit to revenue, and weaken.
The need for border patrols to intercept marijuana as it enters would be reduced to charging a fine for any declared marijuana/tobacco/fruit and veggies. The border patrols would then be free to do thier job of PROTECTING us from outside threats.
Marijuana as a gateway drug? Balderdash. The folks who smoke reefer are not, (for the most part) hard core drug users. There will ALWAYS be those who get drawn into whatever pulls them in. This has been the case for all time. Blaming marijuana is short sighted.
ANY drug or alcohol abuse is a sign of a disturbed mind. USE of said products by a responsible person should be up to thier own choice. These is a HUGE difference between USE and ABUSE.
Patrician,
I fail to gather how you would classify me as a christian by that specific post... I made no reference to my religious preference in that statement. All i stated was that it is proven that the wine jesus partook of was considered grape juice... If you gleened i was a christian simply by the fact that i stated there would be more jobs for me, then you are mistaken. I was speaking statistically when i made that "more jobs for me" statement... You and I both know that there will be poeple who will go hog wild smoking pot if they legalize it... which means those poeple will not be eligible for jobs they otherwise could have been eligible for had they not spent a week strait tokin it up... And more then likely there will be poeple who will lose their jobs over it as well... thus making more jobs, and potential well paying jobs available to those who did not do the said toking...
I fail to gather how you would classify me as a christian by that specific post... I made no reference to my religious preference in that statement. All i stated was that it is proven that the wine jesus partook of was considered grape juice... If you gleened i was a christian simply by the fact that i stated there would be more jobs for me, then you are mistaken. I was speaking statistically when i made that "more jobs for me" statement... You and I both know that there will be poeple who will go hog wild smoking pot if they legalize it... which means those poeple will not be eligible for jobs they otherwise could have been eligible for had they not spent a week strait tokin it up... And more then likely there will be poeple who will lose their jobs over it as well... thus making more jobs, and potential well paying jobs available to those who did not do the said toking...
Here's one for you peoples:
My g/f and I were having a heated discussion yesterday about my "activities".
It seems that she is rather concerned about the fact that I smoke ...well constantly. She herself has quit months ago for hopes of finding a new job.
I asked her to explain, she says:
"well, you smoke before we go out, wehn we go out to eat, wehn we watch a movie, wehn you wake up, before you go to sleep, before ANYTHING."
I was like "waht's wrong with that?"
Her issue is that she believes that I NEED it in order to enjoy anything. I told her that I just prefer it. I like the way it makes me "see" things.
At one point she specifically asked "why do you have to smoke everytime we go out?"
I asked her if wehn she goes out, would she prefer to wear a plain, boring outfit, or somthing flashy and "cool". I think my point was taken. It adds spice.
The big issue is however, If she really wanted me to, SHOULD I stop? just because she wants me to?
Or is it the other way around, should she not worry about it, just because it's somthing I have enjoyed since I went through puberty?
My g/f and I were having a heated discussion yesterday about my "activities".
It seems that she is rather concerned about the fact that I smoke ...well constantly. She herself has quit months ago for hopes of finding a new job.
I asked her to explain, she says:
"well, you smoke before we go out, wehn we go out to eat, wehn we watch a movie, wehn you wake up, before you go to sleep, before ANYTHING."
I was like "waht's wrong with that?"
Her issue is that she believes that I NEED it in order to enjoy anything. I told her that I just prefer it. I like the way it makes me "see" things.
At one point she specifically asked "why do you have to smoke everytime we go out?"
I asked her if wehn she goes out, would she prefer to wear a plain, boring outfit, or somthing flashy and "cool". I think my point was taken. It adds spice.
The big issue is however, If she really wanted me to, SHOULD I stop? just because she wants me to?
Or is it the other way around, should she not worry about it, just because it's somthing I have enjoyed since I went through puberty?
You may not want to hear this kel... but take this as good advice, not a slam...
If you have to smoke to enjoy anything, or even to "prefer" then MJ has altered your chemical reactions in your brain enough that you are dependant upon a hig hto stay normal. If I were you I'd cut down on the weed a bit, and yes... if she asked you to, I would quit it... as she is only interested in your well being... She is not nagging you or harrassing you, she genuinely cares about you and wants you to be normal again...
your statement that you "Prefer" it before everything is a real cry for help bro... I'd recommend a good heart to heart with your GF and maybe seeing about getting a lil professional help to help you cope wit hthe problem you are facing.
I am by no means intending any of this to be a put down or slam against you bro... Im simply stating the truth... if you let a drug come between you and a rational decision, or you need a drug to help you make a rational decision, or to have any fun.... then its time to stop, and get help...
I sincerely hope you find that help, and realize what is happening to you... God Bless, and good luck my friend...
If you have to smoke to enjoy anything, or even to "prefer" then MJ has altered your chemical reactions in your brain enough that you are dependant upon a hig hto stay normal. If I were you I'd cut down on the weed a bit, and yes... if she asked you to, I would quit it... as she is only interested in your well being... She is not nagging you or harrassing you, she genuinely cares about you and wants you to be normal again...
your statement that you "Prefer" it before everything is a real cry for help bro... I'd recommend a good heart to heart with your GF and maybe seeing about getting a lil professional help to help you cope wit hthe problem you are facing.
I am by no means intending any of this to be a put down or slam against you bro... Im simply stating the truth... if you let a drug come between you and a rational decision, or you need a drug to help you make a rational decision, or to have any fun.... then its time to stop, and get help...
I sincerely hope you find that help, and realize what is happening to you... God Bless, and good luck my friend...
I actually have to agree there, Kelv. It sounds like you've hit the saturation point - you have to keep yourself stoned all the time just to feel good. I would also suggest stopping, or at least cutting back - only on the weekends, etc. Stopping for a month at a time even can change your perception and outlook, and as a bonus your tolerance is way down when you do toke again 
Your girl should understand, though, when you do feel the need to fire up.
Your girl should understand, though, when you do feel the need to fire up.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
some poeple amaze me......
hmmmmm
RATE DOWN!
just kidding.
honestly, I smoke maybe a bowl a night.
on weekends though, wehn I'm in a good FFXI session, I'll puff pretty the whole time..... not constantly, but often..
but I guess that fact that I have to feel the need to justify it in Any way means that there is a problem.
The only time I really "crave" it, is when I'm sitting there doing nothing.
now does this mean I should jsut get up and do somthing instead?
waht if there is nothing to do?
OR
maybe I can't think of anything to do because my brain is so fixed on the herb....
ahh complications..
My g/f did ask me waht I would do if she started throwing my **** away. I though about it.
i wouldn't break up with her or anything, I'd just be really annoyed.
but really, the only problem that I see with it, is that OTHER people have problems with it. So I sorta feel like I'm being strong armed by my woman, like she's jsut on some power trip.... but maybe that's jsut the drugs making me paranoid...
I could just stop, but I jsut don't Want to dammit.
BUT, we'll see after my court date, I may have to stop anyway.... alittle divine intervention if you will.
this will never happen..
Edited, Tue Nov 23 13:36:45 2004 by Kelvyquayo
RATE DOWN!
just kidding.
honestly, I smoke maybe a bowl a night.
on weekends though, wehn I'm in a good FFXI session, I'll puff pretty the whole time..... not constantly, but often..
but I guess that fact that I have to feel the need to justify it in Any way means that there is a problem.
The only time I really "crave" it, is when I'm sitting there doing nothing.
now does this mean I should jsut get up and do somthing instead?
waht if there is nothing to do?
OR
maybe I can't think of anything to do because my brain is so fixed on the herb....
ahh complications..
My g/f did ask me waht I would do if she started throwing my **** away. I though about it.
i wouldn't break up with her or anything, I'd just be really annoyed.
but really, the only problem that I see with it, is that OTHER people have problems with it. So I sorta feel like I'm being strong armed by my woman, like she's jsut on some power trip.... but maybe that's jsut the drugs making me paranoid...
I could just stop, but I jsut don't Want to dammit.
BUT, we'll see after my court date, I may have to stop anyway.... alittle divine intervention if you will.
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wants you to be normal again...
this will never happen..
Edited, Tue Nov 23 13:36:45 2004 by Kelvyquayo
"wants you to be normal again..."
Of course it wont... once things happen, you change.. it happens with everything... you go to school, you learn, you change... you get laid the first time, you learn, you change... etc... What you do with that change is what makes you who you are... and determines where you can go...
I would advocate goin cold turkey and quitting altogether... but if that is not possible for you, then at least cut it down to once a week or so... yea, if you find yourself getting bored, there is always something you can do... videao games galore, movies galore, hiking, fishing, work on your car, or clean ur car or house, the choices are infanite... you just have to stop looking in the direction of herb everysingle time you get bored is all...
Your G/F recognizes the addiction you are in, and is making an atempt to get your attention away from the stuff. She realizes the direction you are heading, and desperately wants you to turn away from it. She is not trying to strong arm you, she is trying to get you to see what is happening to you. Its not that necessarily OTHER poeple are having problems wit hyou, they just care, and dont want to see you ruin your life...
you've come to a crossroads of sorts... maybe not the mosty dramatic one in your life, but one that will most definately impact the rest of your life...
Personally i see 2 choices for you... either you take control of your life... or the weed will...
If weed wins, then you will lose... and so will your family, and your G/F... they will lose you.
I know the urge to keep doing it is strong.. and you think that you could never do it... but i asure you that you can. Its not easy, but it is the best thing for you.
RATE UP!!!(seriously, for being strong enuff to come to grips with your problems...)
Edited, Tue Nov 23 14:26:59 2004 by Maddstarr
Of course it wont... once things happen, you change.. it happens with everything... you go to school, you learn, you change... you get laid the first time, you learn, you change... etc... What you do with that change is what makes you who you are... and determines where you can go...
I would advocate goin cold turkey and quitting altogether... but if that is not possible for you, then at least cut it down to once a week or so... yea, if you find yourself getting bored, there is always something you can do... videao games galore, movies galore, hiking, fishing, work on your car, or clean ur car or house, the choices are infanite... you just have to stop looking in the direction of herb everysingle time you get bored is all...
Your G/F recognizes the addiction you are in, and is making an atempt to get your attention away from the stuff. She realizes the direction you are heading, and desperately wants you to turn away from it. She is not trying to strong arm you, she is trying to get you to see what is happening to you. Its not that necessarily OTHER poeple are having problems wit hyou, they just care, and dont want to see you ruin your life...
you've come to a crossroads of sorts... maybe not the mosty dramatic one in your life, but one that will most definately impact the rest of your life...
Personally i see 2 choices for you... either you take control of your life... or the weed will...
If weed wins, then you will lose... and so will your family, and your G/F... they will lose you.
I know the urge to keep doing it is strong.. and you think that you could never do it... but i asure you that you can. Its not easy, but it is the best thing for you.
RATE UP!!!(seriously, for being strong enuff to come to grips with your problems...)
Edited, Tue Nov 23 14:26:59 2004 by Maddstarr
the big thing is, I believe I could stop if i wanted to.
and will, wehn I want to.
so the whole thing may boil down to the typycal "problem with authority" thing.
She admitted that she see's it the same as heroin and crack.
Which tells me that the problem is that her view is skewed.
She can't really pin point anything wrong other than the fact that I do it alot.
but who know, maybe just the drugs talkin'
One of my biggest "excuses" is that "naturally", I'm manic depressive.
So when totally sober (abstained for over a month) I will either be super Hyper-active
or swing to the depths of the deepest depression.
THC gives me balance. call this a rationalization, but I have been studying this for years.
Wehn I have stopped before, I'll get so low in depression that people REALLY get worried.
I discussed this with Her, and she's against Pills as much as I am.....
She's just quite the extremist. She also is concerned about the food that I eat, how often I clean my room, and how fast I drive.
I believe I could stop.
But I have issues with doing stuff just to prove it to somone.
That seems to me like typical MindGame/manipulation female powertrip stuff.
and will, wehn I want to.
so the whole thing may boil down to the typycal "problem with authority" thing.
She admitted that she see's it the same as heroin and crack.
Which tells me that the problem is that her view is skewed.
She can't really pin point anything wrong other than the fact that I do it alot.
but who know, maybe just the drugs talkin'
One of my biggest "excuses" is that "naturally", I'm manic depressive.
So when totally sober (abstained for over a month) I will either be super Hyper-active
or swing to the depths of the deepest depression.
THC gives me balance. call this a rationalization, but I have been studying this for years.
Wehn I have stopped before, I'll get so low in depression that people REALLY get worried.
I discussed this with Her, and she's against Pills as much as I am.....
She's just quite the extremist. She also is concerned about the food that I eat, how often I clean my room, and how fast I drive.
I believe I could stop.
But I have issues with doing stuff just to prove it to somone.
That seems to me like typical MindGame/manipulation female powertrip stuff.
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