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#52 Nov 17 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Default
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You dum fuuk.

First, I smoke DAILY.

Second, if you actually read up on this sh*t instead of relying on your hero overacheiving brother or wahtever to supply you with all the answers to life, you'd see that you need to take your head out of your own *** as well.

I said the SOCIAL USE of it has always been condemned by governments in society. SOCIAL USE meaning smoking it to get HIGH. NOT MEDICAL, or CONSTRUCTIVE USES.

Actually it goes back further than you said.. the first evidence of it's use was in Taiwan, for Rope or clothe obviously...

Right before the "AD"s ,groups would smoke and go around raiding and pillaging.... then name of their gang... the Hash Eaters..... and from that I hear is where we get our word Assasin.

But the use of it as a social drug has always been surrounded by condemnatoin. Trust me, it shocked me as well.


My theory on this is that any governemt will realize that smoking the stuff leads usually to questioning things like authority and opression..



I apologize to you. I mis-read your statement and did not see your gist clearly due to my own mistake.
#53 Nov 17 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Default
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You know, I had this one theory, while I was high of course, that weed was the "tree of knowledge" in Genesis.
#54 Nov 17 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Default
One more thing, Cigs are taxed because they are processed with man made chemical. alcohol is taxed because of additives as well. By law you cannot tax an unprocessed material. Taxing weed is taxing an unprocessed material. Also why hoagies or subs are taxed and the lunch meat is not.
#55 Nov 17 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Good
legalizing MJ for the sole purpose of getting high is not a good enough reason in my book, using it for industry on the other hand is. Science has determined that the use of MJ on a daily basis can be habit forming for some poeple. Anything that is addictive is not good for you, and even worse, restricts your free agency. Therefore im against legalizing it. I do feel the penalty for its use is a bit stiff though.
#56 Nov 17 2004 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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that weed was the "tree of knowledge" in Genesis.

yeah you stoner , It's the Tree of Life.

and it grew on Solomon's grave!


Praise be to H.I.M. King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Light of this World, the Power of the Trinity!!!



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I apologize to you. I mis-read your statement and did not see your gist clearly due to my own mistake.


an apology!? Here!?! SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MVNDI!

Edited, Wed Nov 17 13:21:55 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#57 Nov 17 2004 at 1:21 PM Rating: Default
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BiggityO wrote:
Science has determined that the use of MJ on a daily basis can be habit forming for some poeple. Anything that is addictive is not good for you, and even worse, restricts your free agency. Therefore im against legalizing it. I do feel the penalty for its use is a bit stiff though.


So by these standards, no more video games, tv, sex, music... Anything is habit forming for an obsessive compulsive.
#58 Nov 17 2004 at 1:23 PM Rating: Default
you forgot showering, alot of ocd people I know take 4-8+ showers a day. Habit forming, brushing teeth, hair, showering, use of toilet, ect... all must be bad since its habit forming.
#59 Nov 17 2004 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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One more thing, Cigs are taxed because they are processed with man made chemical. alcohol is taxed because of additives as well. By law you cannot tax an unprocessed material. Taxing weed is taxing an unprocessed material. Also why hoagies or subs are taxed and the lunch meat is not.


Lunch meat is taxed here in CA.

#60 Nov 17 2004 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
AsylumMonkey wrote:
One more thing, Cigs are taxed because they are processed with man made chemical. alcohol is taxed because of additives as well. By law you cannot tax an unprocessed material. Taxing weed is taxing an unprocessed material. Also why hoagies or subs are taxed and the lunch meat is not.


Lunch meat is taxed here in CA.

#61 Nov 17 2004 at 1:33 PM Rating: Decent
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History 101

Other reason was during the times of plantations there were two large forms of capital at the time.

Tobacco
and
Marijuana


Many believe that since the Tobacco companies have such strong ties with the government that it was originally setup for marijuana to take the fall so that the tobacco companies could have a monolopy.
#62 Nov 17 2004 at 1:35 PM Rating: Default
Hm.. odd. Might want to have your senator look at that. I have never been charged tax anywhere for lunch meat.
#63 Nov 17 2004 at 1:39 PM Rating: Excellent
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Taxing weed is taxing an unprocessed material. Also why hoagies or subs are taxed and the lunch meat is not.
I absolutely guarentee you that if pot was legalized and RJ Reynolds got into the weed game, they'd be adding additives and processing your beloved weed. And the government would tax it and people would buy it because it'd still be easier to get a joint from the gas station than to grow your own plants.

For that matter, the only way pot would ever get legalized would be with the promise of taxation. I assure you that Congress would make an exception to the tax laws and slap one on marijuana as part of its decriminalization.
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#64 Nov 17 2004 at 1:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Hm.. odd. Might want to have your senator look at that. I have never been charged tax anywhere for lunch meat.


Have you ever been to California?
#65 Nov 17 2004 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Tobacco
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Marijuana


You should say Hemp really. Any pychotropic effect that the plant has depends upon the resin that it forms to protect itself from high levels of radiation from the hot sun.

and they didn't have UV lamps back then.
That's why any historical stories you hear about people getttig high are usually in places with hot climes.

There was a saying in ancient times which was somting like "better then a Scythian steam bath".

The Scythians would apparently set up tents around a fire and throw hashish on it and BOOM, a Scythian steam bath.
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#66 Nov 17 2004 at 1:45 PM Rating: Default
Nope, but the funny thing is I'll be moving out there in june. My twin is stationed out in almeada. So I guess, I'll do it when I get there. Than you may thank me for you not having to pay for tax on lunch meat. You may thank me when I do such.
#67 Nov 17 2004 at 1:50 PM Rating: Default
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Well, there you have it. It should be legalized because it would balance out a lot of things. There would be an initial shock, and drug dealers would profit for about 3 months, since it takes about this long to grow a plant using hydroponics, then the price would drop ultra sharp because of the influx of weed.

Cigarette companies would most likely sell it in packs of pre-rolled joints, with no seeds, and most likely with additives. Sooner or later they would either fade from the market because of the impurity or take over the market due to the promotion and convenience of going to a store, and buying decent weed. It would be taxed if bought from a store, and be more expensive there. That would make it easier for regular growers to compete, but the store bought would likely taste better, and be labeled as "safer" because of the source (yeah, right. There's ammonia in tobacco). I think it would be interesting to watch the economical aspect of the legalization of weed more than anything.

As for every other thing that weed can be used for, it would take over. First, cheaper paper, then cheaper clothes, eventually cheaper gas. We all want cheaper gas.
#68 Nov 17 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent


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Quote:It has more than a 4700 year written and oral history




keep in mind that in those thousands of years, the social use of the plant has pretty much Always been condemned by the governmemt and society and it's users have always been shunned as low-lives and vagrants.

It has never been accepted.




In the 4700 year written and oral tradition, I was referring to how long the plant has been used as a psycho-active substance, and the death toll ( 0 ) from abuse in those 4700 years.

Actually, hemp fibers have been found in clothes of pre-literacy peoples that are estimated to be from around 4000 BC. So the plant has actually been used for over 6000 years.
#69 Nov 17 2004 at 1:57 PM Rating: Default
the miracle plant will prevail eventually.
#70 Nov 17 2004 at 2:01 PM Rating: Decent
You know, this is like the one question that if you go around asking people, and I mean all different types of people, you usually get the same answer.

I don't know to many people against legalizing...correction, I don't personally know any people against legalizing smokey smokey. My answer: Yes. My advice? It's coming, be patient...it's not like ya ain't smokin' now anyway. :)
#71 Nov 17 2004 at 2:02 PM Rating: Excellent
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That would make it easier for regular growers to compete
RJR and Phillip Morris would have Congress taxing any weed sold and requiring the same stamps you get on a pack of Virgina Slims. The "home growers" who could afford it would be corporations as sincere as Coors selling microbrews.

Don't fool yourself into thinking the some of the most powerful corporations on the planet are going to let "Pete's Gentle Bud" compete on a level field (or one slanted towards Pete).

And of course people will buy them. Why does McDonald's serve a kajillion hamburgers? Because, despite the improved health and taste, it's more of a hassle and expense to buy ground beef, cheese, buns, etc and make your own than it is to hit the drive-through. People growing their own weed a couple years after decriminalization would be a hobby like fermenting your own wine.
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#72 Nov 17 2004 at 2:02 PM Rating: Default
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I tried to OD on hash oil once. You just can't get sick from it. You get really really high, and go to sleep with funny thoughts and daydreams. You wake up feeling refreshed although it's damn near 12 hours later. Weed is a very safe drug. It's safer than tobacco, alcohol, aspirin, and vitamin a. Remember that 5 drops of pure nicotine will kill you. 5 drops of THC will give you a decent buzz. It smells good too. If weed were legal and cheaper, I would use it as an insence.
#73 Nov 17 2004 at 2:03 PM Rating: Default
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Nope, but the funny thing is I'll be moving out there in june. My twin is stationed out in almeada. So I guess, I'll do it when I get there. Than you may thank me for you not having to pay for tax on lunch meat. You may thank me when I do such.


Meh, I may be wrong. I'm doubting my earlier thought now. The point was that your man-made comment doesn't hold water.

Some lunch meat is processed.

Congrats on your future move to the Bay....I'm sure you'll enjoy the Greenery. :)
#74 Nov 17 2004 at 3:00 PM Rating: Default
hopefully beter than the $60 weak 1/8 of kind bud.
#75 Nov 17 2004 at 3:09 PM Rating: Good
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Laviont... we arent talking about legalizing it for obsesive compulsives... were talking about legalizing it for our entire nation... pulling one extreme out of your hat attempting to delude biggity's post is just that... a delusion... anything can be addictive to a obssessive comp person... however, consistant smoking of a joint is addictive to just about everyone who does it. I realize you may be referencing to his post on a"anything that is addictive is bad", but i think he means within reason bro.
#76 Nov 17 2004 at 3:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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AsylumMonkey wrote:
One more thing, Cigs are taxed because they are processed with man made chemical. alcohol is taxed because of additives as well. By law you cannot tax an unprocessed material. Taxing weed is taxing an unprocessed material. Also why hoagies or subs are taxed and the lunch meat is not.

What...on...earth???

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cigs are known to contain cyanide and literally 1000s of other chemicals. Weed is almost 100% natural

1. Apple seeds contain cyanide too.

2. Hemlock is natural. Cyanide is natural. Strychnine is natural. Doesn't make them good.

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