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#27 Nov 17 2004 at 8:52 AM Rating: Decent
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My opinion is that legalizing weed nationwide is far far in the future.

It's big business "on both sides". Think of how much of the system now is dedicated to the interdiction of drugs and then the subsequent incarceration of those arrested.

The drug companies and doctors would oppose from a "self medicating" standpoint and if weed was legalized who would need prozac?

Think of how much money is generated in the economy between the drug dealers, and the enforcement agencies.

My personal belief is that prohibition proved that the government can't stop the people from getting what they want. The organized crime that came out of that era is still with us today. It was big business then and is now.


#28 Nov 17 2004 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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IMO the reason they don't and shouldn't legalize Marijuana is because of something called the Snowball Effect. It's not a real term, at least not applied to this, so don't go looking it up. Basically what I mean is this. If they were to legalize Marijuana, eventually they would start to talk about legalizing other drugs as well. It is easy to see this effect in society.

Look at TV for instance, "back when" you couldn't even have 2 people sleep in the same bed on TV. Now shows like Desperate Housewives show just about everything on the dinner table with the teenage gardener from next door. Not bashing btw, I like the show. Point is, once they open the door a little bit to let something in, it will eventually get opened all the way. Then other stuff is going to start being legalized.

It has always been that way. Just my opinion..
#29 Nov 17 2004 at 10:31 AM Rating: Default
Lol, some of you are forgetting the biggest factor of why weed wouldn't be legalized. Big Money, the people who pay political leaders to vote to their advantage. The biggest opposition of them all is Phillip Morris. If weed was legalized, the cig indstry would end up a thing of the past. Lets face it I would rather inhale my 3 1/2 foot chamber filled with seed and stem smoke before I smoke another cig.(For those of you who don't know, seeds and stems are harsh to smoke. Sometimes you get them in the bowl and don't realize it til you burn it.) Think of how much money they would lose. In turn the politicians who are paid well to be a puppet would also lose out in the end.

As for taxing it, very unlikely. You can't tax anything that grows in your backyard. With that being said, sure make a tax but I'll only need my handy dandy seed bag.(A a hefty gallon bag filled 1/2 way.) So, right there explains the taxing problem they would have.

Weed, got to love it. Gateway drug? Some say yes and some say no. I 'm sitting on the no side. Lets face the music people, peer pressure is the gateway drug. Weed, I smoke alot of it but friends are what made me do alot more than weed. Lets just say I have done drugs that you never heard about. Mostly due to friends obtaining it and than explaining to me how it affected than.

Lets face it, the crime rates would be low if weed was legalized. The system works towards punishing the user more so than the supplier. The judicial system is putting people who arent hurting anyone in jail because of political greed and big tobacco. Like hemp, the well known miracle plant, so many wonderful things have come out of hemp but because of political puppets, cotton and wood are used instead of a planet friendly weed.

Funny fyi ****. If I killed someone I could get out in 3 years. But if I had 2 ounces on me, which isnt all to uncommon for me, I would be sent to jail/prison for a longer sentence. I believe it would be about 20-40+ years. That seems far in my eyes, not.



edit: I hope the avid weed users saw my thread before it went sub default. It was filled with some good links to the cheapest prices for space case products

Edited, Wed Nov 17 10:33:55 2004 by AsylumMonkey
#30 Nov 17 2004 at 10:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Anyway, I'd support decriminalization of pot, but it's not really something at the top of my priorities or concerns.
Agreed. Maybe it shouldn't be illegal but I have more worrying things to rail against than whether or not some dip can legally get high. Hell, even the associated things like the amount of prisoners on drug charges lead me back to not worrying about some idiot who thought getting high for a couple hours was worth going to jail and losing his car for.
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#31 Nov 17 2004 at 10:42 AM Rating: Default
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Someone please link some research that proves conclusively that smoking Weed is less likely to damage your health than smoking cigs.

Seriously if you smoke a joint most of it is tabacco, with a few extra random chemicals thrown in, and just for the record extra chemicals = bad.

I don't have any problems with legalising weed but don't lie and say it's healthy in some way because blatently, it is not.

The only ammendment to the above statement is the possible use in the treatment of MS.


#32 Nov 17 2004 at 10:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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Here are some links just random ones.

http://familydoctor.org/485.xml

http://www.aafp.org/afp/991201ap/2583.html

http://www.health.org/govpubs/phd641

Quick search on google.

All of them seem to say the same thing. It's bad for you lol

One joint has 4 times the tar that a cigarette does. It is worse for you than cigarettes. One of the biggest reasons is because it is unfiltered.

Edited, Wed Nov 17 10:55:18 2004 by Jute
#33 Nov 17 2004 at 10:53 AM Rating: Default
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Seriously if you smoke a joint most of it is tabacco, with a few extra random chemicals thrown in, and just for the record extra chemicals = bad.


WTF kind of joints are you smoking? Oh god, joints usually tend to be rolled up by the user. The user usually tends to fill the joint up with freshly ground MJ. Where the hell do you get tobacco? Cannibus sativa is a weed. As for weed isn't safer than cigs. ********* I am calling ********* cigs are known to contain cyanide and literally 1000s of other chemicals. Weed is almost 100% natural, except for the ocasional spraying down or lacing of. If I were you, I would go find the kid that beat you on your bag. If I found tobacco in my bag, I would of found my money back in my wallet real quick.


LMAO TOBACCO LMAO
#34 Nov 17 2004 at 11:02 AM Rating: Default
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Here are some links just random ones.

http://familydoctor.org/485.xml

http://www.aafp.org/afp/991201ap/2583.html

http://www.health.org/govpubs/phd641/Quick search on google.

All of them seem to say the same thing. It's bad for you lol

One joint has 4 times the tar that a cigarette does. It is worse for you than cigarettes. One of the biggest reasons is because it is unfiltered.

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Lol, But they only take in the fact of smoking a joint. For us refined users, we prefer bongs and more healthy yet more efficient tools. As with bongs, the tar is collected into the stem of the slide, the water tends to stop the tar from reaching my lungs. As for dependency, I smoke an ounce every 5-6 days with 2 other people. I've been dry for about a week, have I craved it? Nope. I smoke because it is the only natural alternative to prozac and other anti-depressants. Yes, I am a manic depressive suffering from de-personalization and have been since well before I picked up a joint. A mix of chron-chron and piercing helped me more than any man made drug. But I can only speak for myself and other bong users.
#35 Nov 17 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well that does seem true. Reading up on bongs has shown me that some of the bad stuff is filtered, but not all. You still have the risk of getting Cancer, fatter, and dumber Smiley: laugh.

It's just not for me is all. You guys smoke what you want. I still don't think it should be legal. read my above post for my reasoning..
#36 Nov 17 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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ummmmm

Edited, Wed Nov 17 11:17:53 2004 by Jute
#37 Nov 17 2004 at 11:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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This is not the post you were looking for..

Edited, Wed Nov 17 11:18:19 2004 by Jute
#38 Nov 17 2004 at 11:29 AM Rating: Decent
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A site that I like to read up on is www.drugpolicy.org.

I believe cannabis should be decriminalized, re-categorized, taxed and sold. This includes industrial hemp as well as marijuana for medical and recreational use. Smoking weed is considerably safer than alcohol; you can't OD on weed. The damage to your lungs may be comparable to the damage to your liver when drinking - and you'd have to do a whole lot of either for that. As to being a gateway drug, that's ridiculous. Pot doesn't lead to other drugs, it leads to fuc[b][/b]king carpentry, that's what it does! "This box would make an excellent bong!" "This shoe would make an excellent bong!" "This guy's head would make an excellent bong!" thank you, Denis

Hemp used to be a hugely successful industrial crop, until DuPont and Hearst decided to have it outlawed in favor of cotton and wood. You might want to check this thread for a similar discussion.
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#39 Nov 17 2004 at 11:40 AM Rating: Decent
Hmm...well, I live in a city where pot is decriminalized. It's is impossible to get busted for marijuana in San Francisco and the surrounding areas.

There is no slippery slope, no massive downslide of the population's productivity or morals. Smokers run the gamut of homeless to bilionaire and just about 90% of the people here will at least smoke a joint out of politeness.

The sky has not fallen and it's been like this here for at least 30 years.

#40 Nov 17 2004 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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ok, I'll bite.

Should Mary-jane be illegal? I don't think it should. Do I think decriminalizing it would do any good? Maybe, it'd certainly lessen the amount of money we spend on keeping mj users in jail.

The problem is, it will never happen. The gov't(as said before) won't pass it. They would gain too much money, but lose a lot of popularity, and they don't want to be unpopular. When I used to smoke(haven't in about a year, smoked for a week, and hadn't before that for 4) I knew several dealers. Each of them made about 2-4k a week.... a week! If something is this popular, and has side effects that are not nearly as bad as other legalized products(alcohol, cigarettes) why the hell not make it legal, tax it, and reap the benefits?

It has been brought across to be a gate-way drug. I'll tell you right now, cigarettes(imo) are the biggest gateway drug followed by alcohol. I don't know anyone who just started smoking herb before they smoked or drank the other two. But I DO know people who have smoked cigs or drank but don't smoke MJ and have done coke, heroin, dust, acid, shrooms etc. In the end, I agree with an above post saying it's peer-pressure.

I started smoking cigs at 13, found MJ to be an appealing way of doing something bad without causeing harm to others, and started smoking MJ around 14-15. I stopped at 18, and have only smoked occassionally since(like once every 6months, or not for a few years). It's not addictive, physically. It's addictive in the same sense as chocolate is. You enjoy it, and want to keep doing it, but if you don't have it, you don't 'crave' it. You might want it, but it's not your body telling you that you need it.


I could go on, but as usual, I have a long, drawn out post.

Should it be legalized with restrictions and serious penalties if those restrictions are broken? Yes. Decriminalized? Sure. Illegal... it really doesn't make sense when there are two other drugs that are legal and are 10 x's as bad for you out there already.
#41 Nov 17 2004 at 11:56 AM Rating: Default
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The problem is, it will never happen. The gov't(as said before) won't pass it. They would gain too much money,


Kind of backwards, they would lose more money from the cig industry not buying their vote. Weed cant be taxed. You can't tax anything natural and unprocessed. Cigs is processed product, hence able to be taxed. God, some people should atleast read up on stuff before they post. So far we have joints contain tobacco. Weed can be taxed. Honestly, if I were you people I would shoot myself out of ignorance. Anyway, if they did find some way to tax it, its legal so I'll be growing 100's of plants the next day.

Edit: analogy: Taxing weed is like taxing tomatoes.

Edited, Wed Nov 17 11:58:23 2004 by AsylumMonkey
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Of course they can tax weed. They can tax it simply because companies will mass produce it and people would rather go to the local Walgreen's and buy a bag of weed or pack of joints or whatever than fu[/i]ck around trying to grow it. Guess what, you can brew your own beer and make your own wine, too! Boy, the government sure is getting screwed on that liquor tax, huh?

[i]Edited, Wed Nov 17 12:05:27 2004 by Jophiel
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#43 Nov 17 2004 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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It has more than a 4700 year written and oral history



keep in mind that in those thousands of years, the social use of the plant has pretty much Always been condemned by the governmemt and society and it's users have always been shunned as low-lives and vagrants.

It has never been accepted.
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#44 Nov 17 2004 at 12:12 PM Rating: Default
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Of course they can tax weed. They can tax it simply because companies will mass produce it and people would rather go to the local Walgreen's and buy a bag of weed or pack of joints or whatever than fu[/i]ck around trying to grow it. Guess what, you can brew your own beer and make your own wine, too! Boy, the government sure is getting screwed on that liquor tax, huh?

[i]Edited, Wed Nov 17 12:05:27 2004 by Jophiel


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#45 Nov 17 2004 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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If they legalize the rape wounds of mother earth would heal a little better. Hemp is wonderful, and weed is pretty damn good too. If I could only go back to just smoking weed, I would be so happy. Is it a gateway drug? Hmmm. I used to smoke weed, loved it, kept it under control. Then one day I got tired of the negative stigma that came with it, and I switched to tobacco, because it's legal. Boy, what a mistake. My chest hurts, and my music doesn't flow right.
#46 Nov 17 2004 at 12:29 PM Rating: Excellent
ouch... chest pains is nevah fun!!!! Dont get heart attack bro!
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If they legalize the rape wounds of mother earth would heal a little better
Ok there, Sitting Bull. Might want to smoke'um peace pipe a little less before posting.
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#48 Nov 17 2004 at 12:35 PM Rating: Default
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keep in mind that in those thousands of years, the social use of the plant has pretty much Always been condemned by the governmemt and society and it's users have always been shunned as low-lives and vagrants.

It has never been accepted.


Ok, I guess smak was for vagrants as well. LOL Benjiman franklin was a smak user, so where many of the US forefathers. I guess since hemp and weed have such bad history they should be illegal forever. Hemp is the miracle plant. this plant can do anything from being made into paper to powering your car if they wanted to. Weed has been used for centuries as a recreational habit and for medicine. Any natural plant or material that is used by the people you say are generally low lifes were at one time, believe it or not, for medical purposes. Again I must reiterate, if you dont know what you are talking about than please by all means educate yourself before posting. Opinions are one thing, stupidity is just opening yourself up to critism.


So, alittle history lesson brought to you by asylummonkey to the nancy reagan's lap dogs.

Edit: I could understand if you were posting about opium, since that has been associated with ***** houses and other such dwelling for quite some time in the history of the world. But even opium has its medical purposes, hence morphine and alot of pain relievers used in hospitals arounds the world.

Update: My cousin who does research on anything he can noted that the declartion of independence was written on hemp paper. Another note, he is hardly ever wrong as I have found out through out my life. DAMN HIM:P

Edit: I will leave this up for other reasons, I have appologized in a later thread already to the poster to whom I quoted. I will appologize again, I misread your post. I did not clearly see your gist due to my own mistake.

Edited, Wed Nov 17 13:20:31 2004 by AsylumMonkey
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this plant can do anything from being made into paper to powering your car if they wanted to.


People don't know that the original diesel engine ran on hempseed oil.
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Fantastic. So when you idiots can stop smoking the stuff, the government can legalise its industrial growth and we'll live in a utopia of hemp paper woven diesel engines.

Oh, wait.. you just want to get high. Nevermind then.
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#51 Nov 17 2004 at 12:53 PM Rating: Decent
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believe it or not, for medical purposes. Again I must reiterate, if you dont know what you are talking about than please by all means educate yourself before posting. Opinions are one thing, stupidity is just opening yourself up to critism.


You dum fuuk.

First, I smoke DAILY.

Second, if you actually read up on this **** instead of relying on your hero overacheiving brother or wahtever to supply you with all the answers to life, you'd see that you need to take your head out of your own *** as well.

I said the SOCIAL USE of it has always been condemned by governments in society. SOCIAL USE meaning smoking it to get HIGH. NOT MEDICAL, or CONSTRUCTIVE USES.

Actually it goes back further than you said.. the first evidence of it's use was in Taiwan, for Rope or clothe obviously...

Right before the "AD"s ,groups would smoke and go around raiding and pillaging.... then name of their gang... the Hash Eaters..... and from that I hear is where we get our word Assasin.

But the use of it as a social drug has always been surrounded by condemnatoin. Trust me, it shocked me as well.


My theory on this is that any governemt will realize that smoking the stuff leads usually to questioning things like authority and opression..

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