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#227 Nov 23 2004 at 2:53 PM Rating: Good
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Ultimately its your choice man... if you choose to see this as a power trip, then its your choice... but take it from a Sober person here... your rationalizations and denials are showing us how "Hooked" you are, and that you need to stop...

you are not seeing yourself clearly... you are focusing on the herb again, and you are letting yourself rest in justification of something you ought not to have to justify anyways...

you keep hitting the nail on the head, but with not enuff power to drive it in..... there are plenty enuff reasons to do this for yourself, and no others... bu tyou will find that others will help you when you are willing to put in honest effort...

with you being a manic depressive, it is extremely important that you get help with this issue as you will only experience lower and lower lows as you get older... get professional assistance man, it will make all the difference in the world!

like i said earlier... either you win, or the weed does... which do you want controling your life....?

Edited, Tue Nov 23 14:56:47 2004 by Maddstarr
#228REDACTED, Posted: Nov 23 2004 at 3:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Kelv,
#229 Nov 23 2004 at 3:05 PM Rating: Default
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i was going to say you're addicted, but you're manic depressive. That changes everything. It's a well known fact that weed helps manic depressives. I would be scared to see you quit, because the depressed side of manic depressive is much worse than a weed habit. Maybe cut back, but quitting could lead to an unpleasant situation.
#230 Nov 23 2004 at 3:13 PM Rating: Default
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In a way, varus actually has a point. Maybe not as extreme as he says. Wait, wait, nevermind. He invoked Godwin's upon himself.
#231 Nov 23 2004 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Dammit I got cheated. My default filter is on when Varus supposedly makes a point. I turn off the filter, read the message, and am immensely disappointed it's more of the same "bi[/b]tch pu[b]ssy co[/b]ck pimp ****" bullsh[b]it. Smiley: oyvey




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#232 Nov 23 2004 at 3:21 PM Rating: Good
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you're manic depressive. That changes everything. It's a well known fact that weed helps manic depressives


funny,

reading that actually Makes me wanna kinda stop.
Reason being, that It tells me that I AM depending on it to live my life.
Before I was just thinking that it just softens the blows of life, but to think that when I smoke, that it's the same as me taking my medicine, kinda takes the fun outa it... which is pretty much the reason I do it, because it is fun. I guess I see it as sort of a fountain of youth in a way.
That's not the Sole reason though.

fact is, I happen to like it.

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either you win, or the weed does... which do you want controling your life


This reminds me of Narcotics Anonymous.
They say once an addict always an addict.

Don't you think that this is a little extreme though?
controlling my Life?
my life right now consists of:

Going to work,
hanging with my g/f,
chilling with my roomate,
and tying to pay off all of my loans and debts once and for all.
Video games.


notice I didn't say "eating food" even though that is somthing that i do often.
notice I also didn't include "smoking weed".
I concider that all incidental.

I have a great job, a great woman, and great friends.
I cannot concieve of the notion that Weed is or will ever be controlling my life.

If we were talking about Alcohol, or pills, or smack, or crack, I would say so, but not this.


Of coarse you can ALWAYS retort saying that I'm in the classic "junkies denial", but all in all when I look at the surface reality of it, Weed doesn't really matter.
It's just the icing on the cake.
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#233 Nov 23 2004 at 3:25 PM Rating: Decent
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I really don't have time to read all 5 pages of this but they should decriminalize it at the very least.

Did you know that most of the major tobacco companies have just as much undeveloped land set aside waiting to grow marijuana as they currently have growing tobacco? They are just waiting for their opportunity to start selling us bud. Marlbro and Camel already have their marijuana cigarette names trademarked and copyrighted.

The only thing I can't figure out is why they would want to grow all that bud outdoors.
#234 Nov 23 2004 at 3:41 PM Rating: Good
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No kel, I dont believe that once a junkie always a junkie...

you said yourself.. i smoke when i get up in the AM i smoke before i go to bed. i smoke before i go out, i smoke before i eat, i smoke before i do everything because i like the way it makes me see things...

you are getting defensive now and closing your mind....

it already is controling you... you just dont see it as clear as we do... your very actions and posts show us how much in denial you are.

I am trying to help you... not demean you or control you... I want you to live life without having to do it through a cloud of smoke... and so do those that care about you...

we are digressing here... you have gone from admitting your problem now to shifting it to your g/f and denying you dont have any problem.... if you cannot see this, then you need to wake up ... I hope you come to your senses before it ruins your life.... I seriously hope that it doesnt cost you anything permanent before you realize this...

#235REDACTED, Posted: Nov 23 2004 at 3:59 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Kelv,
#236 Nov 23 2004 at 4:03 PM Rating: Default
Marijuana, legal? Yes! I hope to be able to go to a gas station and be like, I'll take an 8th of mids please.
#237 Nov 23 2004 at 4:06 PM Rating: Default
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Just a curious Queston here... i hear acid stays in your body for like 30+ years... true or false? If so... you acid users have a good time passing drug tests!!!


I'm not sure if it shows up in your drug test or not 30 years later. But, yes- it does stay in yer system. I hope no one answered this btw. See, its like this- when you do it, it goes straight towards your spinal cord(thats why you get the hallucinations and what not). And, say 10 years later, its still in your system and you might flip out because of it. I havent had that happen to me yet, but it could happen any moment now. From my understanding, its just flash backs?
#238 Nov 23 2004 at 4:12 PM Rating: Default
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Flashbacks aren't as intense as people think. Its like a few seconds where everything gets wavy and then it goes away. It's not like AHHHHHHHHHHH IM SO HIGH, GET TEH BUGGS OFF ME!!! It's more like "whoa, caught a free one."
#239 Nov 23 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Flashbacks aren't as intense as people think. Its like a few seconds where everything gets wavy and then it goes away


you can't imagine how wrong you are.

that's a good thing.




for the record, acid stays in your spine for up to 6 years, the only way that it can be detected is by spinal tap.

the imprints however last forever.
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#240 Nov 23 2004 at 4:59 PM Rating: Default
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Really? How bad can they get?
#241 Nov 23 2004 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Ever see Jacobs Ladder?

yeah...
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#242REDACTED, Posted: Nov 23 2004 at 5:13 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) You guys should get a kick out of this...
#243 Nov 23 2004 at 5:35 PM Rating: Default
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Yes acid does stay in your system for a very long time. Not sure if 30 years is accurate. The bad thing with acid is you may, at some point in the futur, experience a flashback. Therefore if traces of acid are found in your system certain jobs are no longer available to you. Like doctor.



Acid stays in your spinal fluid for 10-20 years. Thats the best thing about acid, you cant legally test for it(spinal tap). Yes, you will have a flashback to which you will trip slightly after the body eventually gets rid of it.


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RATE DOWN!
just kidding.


honestly, I smoke maybe a bowl a night.
on weekends though, wehn I'm in a good FFXI session, I'll puff pretty the whole time..... not constantly, but often..

but I guess that fact that I have to feel the need to justify it in Any way means that there is a problem.

The only time I really "crave" it, is when I'm sitting there doing nothing.




I've been in those situations alot. Its more the boredom than any real craving. The minutes turn into hours rather quickly. Lets face it, I would rather be stoned than bored, anyday. I replaced cigs with pot, it sucks when I am out of chron chron.


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I know a lot of people who post here are parents and are probablly scared of their kids taking drugs like these. Chances are your kid will be confronted with the choice one day to try them. My advice to you is to actually teach your children the effects of the drugs and what harm can come from them. Don't just tell them not to do drugs because they may take that as a reason to do drugs.



I'll do the same thing as my mother has done for me. Teach responsibility with drugs. Now before some of you start with bad parenting, realize the following. If I were to drink or do any substance, she told me to do it inside the house. Usually she would check on everyone from time to time. Granted this doesn't look good at first but it does get better.

She knew that I would eventually try things, but she would rather I be home and supervised while experimenting than on the streets where I could get myself into trouble and more. Now with that being said, I have yet to get into any trouble, get sick from, nor become abusive from being responsible with drugs. She always said that she would rather I be safe than sorry. This will be the same premises that I teach my kids about drugs.

Provide a safe area with supervision for my children. With peer pressure being the number one reason the youth try drugs, I would rather see them be responsible and safe at home, than get locked up for petty charges designed to punish the user more than the dealer. Not to mention, I could easily see how they handle their recreational habits and guide them if things get out of control.

This is the way I have been raised to handle this subject and I will continue to follow suit. I've seen what happens when friends become the drug that they have used. You can always turn your back on a friend but never turn your back on a drug.
#244 Nov 24 2004 at 10:12 AM Rating: Good
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Kel,

We have all given you our opinions... the choice is yours to make... only you know what your girlfriends intentions are... only you can decide if you have a problem.... and only you can fix it...

If you need any further advice, or need help, send me a PM and ill do what I can to help you... in the mean time... good luck to you and be careful!
#245 Nov 24 2004 at 11:46 PM Rating: Decent
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im seeing ALOT of misinformation here.

LSD does NOT stay in your spine. it has nothing to do with your spine, at all. Spinal taps can detect drug use just the same as a blood test, no shorter, no longer. LSD can be detected for a few days after dosing(certainly no longer, possibly shorter). after that it is GONE. my understanding is that they dont really know what causes flash backs, but they are beleived to be completely in your mind.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_myth1.shtml

http://www.erowid.org

http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.cgi?A=ListByCat&Cat0=4&x=19&y=9

LSD is no different than any other hallucinogenic drug. you take it, trip balls, and thats the end of it.
#246 Nov 25 2004 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent
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I think you all are missing the point. Marijuana = crime.

I mean haven't any of you read the papers and heard of the mass stoner crime sprees?

Stoner #1 "Dude, weren't we supposed to rob a bank like, two hours ago?"

Stoner #2 "O yea man, i'm so baked. **** it we'll do it tommorrow."

Heh. American culture is so *** backwards i think it wipes its forehead and styles its butt hairs.
#247 Nov 25 2004 at 12:55 AM Rating: Decent
I just realized, after all of my posts in the thread, I've yet to voice an opinion as to why Marijuana should be legal.

I'm not going to lie, I'd like pot to be legal so I could catch a good relaxing buzz without having to worry with the legal retribution.

Anyway here is my thought on the subject. Any law that creates more strife for a society than the offense itself should be abolished:

1. The prohibition of marijuana has only effectively created a black market for the substance.

2. Anyone in jail for marijuana is exposed to a much harder society...one that could lead to much more crime than marijuana could concieve.

3. The American public pays for these "criminals" through our taxes, as well as funds the futile effort in keeping this "hard drug" out of our country.

4. The "marijuana laws" are effectively breaking 5 of the first 10 ammendmants to our constitution (and depending on spin doctoring, up to 9 of them)

5. Governments shouldnt pass laws that they cannot enforce...tends to make the government look, for lack of a better word, childish...akin to "because I said so"

6. There is no real evidence that marijuana leads to anything harder than growing fat and lazy on the couch, a trend perfected by the majority of Americans who dont use dope.

You can argue about the health problems, but that argument is grossly misleading. Comparing one joint with one ciggarette, MJ is undeniably more hazardous. However, there are many more refined ways to "smoke" marijuana (as in a vaporizor) which eliminates 100% of the dangerous tars(or in a bong, which eliminates a large portion of the tars). Furthermore, anyone would be very hard pressed to find someone who smokes joints one to one with cigarettes.

Bleh, long post again...Until next time, KNOWING IS HALF THE BATTLE!
#248 Nov 25 2004 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
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it would be damn near impossible to smoke anywhere near as much marijuana as you can with tobacco. you have these smokers who can smoke multiple packs a day. i'd love to meet anyone who can smoke 20+ joints a day. if i smoked that much of even small joints i'd be as good as stone for the rest of the day, cause i wouldnt be moving *ANYWHERE*.

after a single bowl (much smaller than a single joint, usually) of chronic (slang for very high quality marijuana) im so high i cant even hold the pipe and the lighter, literally. i've smoked to the point where i was physically incapable of smoking anymore and it didnt even near the amount of herb found in just 1-3 cigarettes.

if smoking high quality mary jane (which everyone would have access to if it were legalized) through a bong (or better, yet vaporizer) the damage to your lung would be not even close to the damage cigs cause.
#249 Nov 25 2004 at 9:54 AM Rating: Good
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i live in Holland.

here we can:
- smoke weed legally
- drink at the age of 16
- drive cars at the age of 18 (but scooters at 16...)

i tried weed when i was younger. was fun. i dont see why they should ban it. Only thing that happens to you is you get extremely happy (well, that was the case here) and Alcohol and cigarettes are more dangerous.

alcohol gets many people killed, and you dont see them banning that either...
#250 Nov 25 2004 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
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marijuana. marijuana is a VERY contraversial (spelling?) thing. there is no denying that it is a drug, because just like alcohol and cigarettes, it is a drug. there have been many speculations as to why it was illegalized, some say it's because of the healt problems it can cause (one joint cantains just as much tar as one cigarette, and tends to have no filter) some, who's sanity is yet to be determined, believe it was made illegal because a lot of african americans and hispanics smoked it back in the 50's. others belive it was illegalized because of it's potency compaired to alcohol and cigarettes. for whatever reason it was illegalized is not the point, but just an introduction. marijuana has been the scapegoat for all other drugs, and been deemed the gateway to them. i fought a sever drug addiction in my teens, which i have now overcome and have been clean for almost two years, thankfully. gateway drug it is not, in a way. it's the not the actual drug thatr causes others to do other drugs, but the search for a better feeling. that does mean marijuana is a partial gateway drug, but only to those who are really enjoy (or should i say addicted) to the euphoric feeling caused by smoking the wonderful green. however just because someone smokes pot does not mean they will do other drugs. it all comes down to the person and how they handle it. many people will argue this statement i am about to make, you CAN be a responsibvle pot smoker. that is just the same as being a responsible drinker. only do it when it will not inflict on the next day and you have the time to recooperate, you don't have to drive while stoned out of your mind, and ofcourse you use moderation. not moderation as in once a week on weekends, but moderation as in, once a month or once every other week, and just as a social thing with friends or a relaxztion tool. a big problem with marijuana, and this will be argued as well, is that a lot of people become addicted to marijuana, and crave the high. a lot of people say, you can't be addicted to marijuana, or that's not a real addiction. well that's bullsh*t. marijuana may be the lesser of the drugs, but it changes the chemicals in your brain just the same and can cause the exact same chemical dependency.

now having said that, i think our government should do more then decriminalize it, i think the government, and only the government, should have a legal right to sell, tax, and distribute marijuana, it safe quantities, and caerfully tracked to keep people from buying too much. possesion should be taken away unless there is clear intent to sell. there are many other ways for the government to regulate it to keep from getting out of control. driving under the influence of marijuana should be held just like driving while intoxicated, and maybe a little more severe, or less severe, that should be determined by actual scientists doing HUMAN testing. the government should also sell a "safer" and more "pure" form of marijuana to prevent people from getting laced marijuana, not knowing it, and having bad reaction, and to ensure that the people know they are getting what they paid for. there should also be an age limit to buy, not to smoke, but to buy marijuana, from government registered vendors. i would say an effective age limit would be 25, higher then alcohol, but more sensable then 21 if you ask me. now all precautions should be made to prevent people form selling their own home grown weed by selling the marijuana for a cheeper price then you get on the street, seeing as marijuana is cheap to grow, especialy when out government owns millions of acres where this stuff will grow WELL. and it would put marijuana drug dealers out of business. however that is not to say that those dealers will not move on to sell other, more dangerous drugs. which is a problem. another problem is if you legallize marijuana, it will be eaiser to legalize other drugs, which will turn the US into Amsterdmn, a sespool of scum, slackers, potheads, hookers, drug dealers, criminals (which may decrease since there a lot of "criminals" who became that way for possesion of marijuana, but that is not a risk i am willing to take)

all said and done, i think marijuana should be decriminalized, but there is too much riding on it to actually do it. for all we know we could decriminalize marijuana and crime rates could go up, people could become lazier, and out sh*tty economy (as in it's worse then it has been, not saying it sucks compaired to the rest of the world) can get worse. however with good ol' Dubya in office, he would rather appoint a jewish attorny as the US attorney, then want to attempt decriminalizing marijuana, erhgo, since we the people voted him back (why i will never understand) that is even more unlikely to happen as a state law, let alone federal law. now that i have bored you people with this EXCEPTIONALLY long post that most likely drained you of all brain power you have (regardless of intellegence, not meaning to insult anyone) i will leave it at that.

Be Well and HAPPY TURKEY DAY!
#251 Nov 25 2004 at 12:54 PM Rating: Default
you know, it is ****** to be put in jail for weed. if its not legalized, they should definatley lower the penalties, maybe just a small fine or something. id still rather see it be legal.
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