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#27 Oct 28 2004 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Gimme A Break!

Mark Twain Lampoons the Horatio Alger Myth

The ideology of success—the notion that anyone could make it with enough hard work—was widely promoted in Gilded Age America. One of its most famous proponents was the author Horatio Alger, whose novels showed how poor boys could move from “rags to respectability” through “pluck and luck.” Between the late 1860s and his death in 1899, Alger published more than 100 of these formulaic stories about poor boys who made good more often because of fortunate accidents than because of hard work and denial. Not all Americans, however, bought into this ideology of success. Mark Twain’s 1879 short story, “Poor Little Stephen Girard,” took satirical aim at the poor-boy-done-good theme that permeated dozens of Alger stories.


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The man lived in Philadelphia who, when young and poor, entered a bank, and says he: “Please, sir, don’t you want a boy?” And the stately personage said: “No, little boy, I don’t want a little boy.” The little boy, whose heart was too full for utterance, chewing a piece of licorice stick he had bought with a cent stolen from his good and pious aunt, with sobs plainly audible, and with great globules of water rolling down his cheeks, glided silently down the marble steps of the bank. Bending his noble form, the bank man dodged behind a door, for he thought the little boy was going to shy a stone at him. But the little boy picked up something, and stuck it in his poor but ragged jacket. “Come here, little boy,” and the little boy did come here; and the bank man said: “Lo, what pickest thou up?” And he answered and replied: “A pin.” And the bank man said: “Little boy, are you good?” and he said he was. And the bank man said: “How do you vote?”—“excuse me, do you go to Sunday school?” and he said he did. Then the bank man took down a pen made of pure gold, and flowing with pure ink, and he wrote on a piece of paper, “St. Peter”; and he asked the little boy what it stood for, and he said “Salt Peter.” Then the bankman said it meant “Saint Peter.” The little boy said: “Oh!”

Then the bank man took the little boy to his bosom, and the little boy said, “Oh!” again, for he squeezed him. Then the bank man took the little boy into partnership, and gave him half the profits and all the capital, and he married the bank man’s daughter, and now all he has is all his, and all his own too.

My uncle told me this story, and I spent six weeks in picking up pins in front of a bank. I expected the bank man would call me in and say: “Little boy, are you good?” and I was going to say “Yes;” and when he asked me what “St. John” stood for, I was going to say “Salt John.” But the bank man wasn’t anxious to have a partner, and I guess the daughter was a son, for one day says he to me: “Little boy, what’s that you’re picking up?” Says I, awful meekly, “Pins.” Says he: “Let’s see ‘em.” And he took ’em, and I took off my cap, all ready to go in the bank, and become a partner, and marry his daughter. But I didn’t get an invitation. He said: “Those pins belong to the bank, and if I catch you hanging around here any more I’ll set the dog on you!” Then I left, and the mean old fellow kept the pins. Such is life as I find it.

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Mark Twain, “Poor Little Stephen Girard,” in Carleton’s Popular Readings, Anna Randall-Diehl, ed., (New York, 1879), 183–84.



Damn liberal turn of the century writers!!!
#28 Oct 28 2004 at 1:16 PM Rating: Decent
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admonistration.


Are you trying to say administration? And if the wealthy are only out for the wealthy then why should anyone who is not wealthy believe anything said by the wealthy? You are a self-proclaimed millionaire so should those of us here that are not believe you because, as you've made it abundantly clear, us plebians shouldn't believe anything said by the wealthy. Hence we should believe exactly the opposite of what you say. You're a moron.


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#29 Oct 28 2004 at 1:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Anyone else notice that Varrus ran fast and far from the topic of voter disenfranchisment after this "felon" thing was debunked?
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#30 Oct 28 2004 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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And if the wealthy are only out for the wealthy then why should anyone who is not wealthy believe anything said by the wealthy? You are a self-proclaimed millionaire so should those of us here that are not believe you because, as you've made it abundantly clear, us plebians shouldn't believe anything said by the wealthy. Hence we should believe exactly the opposite of what you


No, fool. I said, fool, that the Republicans, fool, want to keep the wealthy wealthy, fool. I didn't say, fool, that the wealthy were all Republicans, fool.

As opposed to poor Republicans, wealthy Democrats are aware that they're are voting against their self intrest and conciiously choose to make a sacrafice for other people.

As opposed, fool, to just being big suckers who want to make sure that they have a chance to fuc[b][/b]k the poor when they "make it big".

fool.
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#31 Oct 28 2004 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Smashed,

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admonistration.


Are you trying to say administration? And if the wealthy are only out for the wealthy then why should anyone who is not wealthy believe anything said by the wealthy? You are a self-proclaimed millionaire so should those of us here that are not believe you because, as you've made it abundantly clear, us plebians shouldn't believe anything said by the wealthy. Hence we should believe exactly the opposite of what you say. You're a moron.


Varus


The above argument is soo fu[u][/u]cking stupid.

Varus, you're not even on the ropes....you're out of the ring getting hit in the face with a folding chair.
#32 Oct 28 2004 at 1:25 PM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo is absolutely correct. Republicans are the very essence of evil boiled down to it's most wicked and pernicious form. In fact, the word "Republican" is Sanskrit for "spawn of the devil"-- little known, but true! In many countries across the globe, the elephant is a universal sign for rape, disease, famine, murder, and sloth. If you squint real real hard, you can kinda see the numbers 666 take form from the initials RNC.

It's a vast right wing Satanic conspiracy.

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#33 Oct 28 2004 at 1:25 PM Rating: Decent
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As opposed to poor Republicans, wealthy Democrats are aware that they're are voting against their self intrest and conciiously choose to make a sacrafice for other people.


How much did Kerry pay in taxes this year as opposed to Bush again?


Jophed,


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Anyone else notice that Varrus ran fast and far from the topic of voter disenfranchisment after this "felon" thing was debunked?



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In Florida, individuals convicted of a felony are stripped of their civil and voting rights, even after completion of their sentences. Loss of civil rights takes away not only the right to vote, but also the right to hold public office, serve on a jury, and qualify for certain types of state licenses necessary for many jobs, such as those in the construction and medical fields
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http://www.aclufl.org/issues/voting_rights/florida_voting_ban.cfm

Now don't you feel stupid.

Varus




#34 Oct 28 2004 at 1:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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#35 Oct 28 2004 at 1:27 PM Rating: Decent
Totem wrote:
Smasharoo is absolutely correct. Republicans are the very essence of evil boiled down to it's most wicked and pernicious form. In fact, the word "Republican" is Sanskrit for "spawn of the devil"-- little known, but true! In many countries across the globe, the elephant is a universal sign for rape, disease, famine, murder, and sloth. If you squint real real hard, you can kinda see the numbers 666 take form from the initials RNC.

It's a vast right wing Satanic conspiracy.

Totem


Overstate the argument to defuse it much, Totem?

NOPE.

Smash IS right and you know it.

It's not even close to "tin-foil hat" to say that the Republican Party wants the rich to get richer.

It's frigging obvious.
#36 Oct 28 2004 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
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How much did Kerry pay in taxes this year as opposed to Bush again?


I'm a little fuzzy why you're so fascinated by that. If I was in favor of passing a law to make the Speed Limit 20 mph everywhere and my opponent was in favor of the speed limit being 1000mph everywhere and I was legeally driving 50mph while he allways drove 10mph why would that mean anything at all?

Fool.
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#37 Oct 28 2004 at 1:29 PM Rating: Good
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How much did Kerry pay in taxes this year as opposed to Bush again?


Hello topic that has been run into the ground! Welcome back!

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#38 Oct 28 2004 at 1:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Do I feel stupid?
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Clemency functions include restoration of voting rights and other civil rights, pardons, commutation of sentence, relief from fines and forfeitures, pardon without firearm authority, capital case review, restoration of firearm authority, and alien initiative
-- Florida Board of Executive Clemency

No, not really. Do you?

Now, did you plan to talk about the topic or was your plan to divert the conversation to Kerry's taxes now that you've -- once again -- been shown to be an idiot?

Edited, Thu Oct 28 14:34:57 2004 by Jophiel
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#39 Oct 28 2004 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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C'mon, pickle, you guys finally got me to cough up the truth and now you think I'm overplaying my hand? I can't seem to win for losin'! Damned if I do, damned if I don't I suppose.

Totem
#40 Oct 28 2004 at 1:36 PM Rating: Good
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Smash IS right and you know it.

Smash couldn't be right if we tied him down posessed him with the spirit of Newt Gingrich.
#41 Oct 28 2004 at 1:37 PM Rating: Good
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Well, at least Totem finaly admits his motivations. I always knew there was something wrong with him.
#42 Oct 28 2004 at 1:41 PM Rating: Decent
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Smash IS right and you know it.

Smash couldn't be right if we tied him down posessed him with the spirit of Newt Gingrich.



You're correct and so is Smash. :P

Happy now?

#43 Oct 28 2004 at 1:42 PM Rating: Decent
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C'mon, pickle, you guys finally got me to cough up the truth and now you think I'm overplaying my hand? I can't seem to win for losin'! Damned if I do, damned if I don't I suppose.

Totem


Rhetorical ploy #2:

Act innocent.
#44 Oct 28 2004 at 1:42 PM Rating: Good
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Happy now?

Not really. I don't get to pick up my kid for another 2 hours.
#45 Oct 28 2004 at 1:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Happy now?

Not really. I don't get to pick up my kid for another 2 hours.


Rhetorical Ploy #3:

Mention cute child.

:)
#46 Oct 28 2004 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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/starts vomiting split pea soup and channeling Ozzy

Yeah, Gitslayer, yeah, yeah, Baphomet! Goat's blood! Ritualized sex orgies with the local Republican Wiccan coven! Who's with me??? C'mon! I know you all wanna get freaky with the elephant-- look at the size of that trunk!

Totem
#47 Oct 28 2004 at 1:46 PM Rating: Good
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And I'm using rhetorical ploy #12! Suck it! Suck it! Suck it!

Totem
#48 Oct 28 2004 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Ritualized sex orgies with the local Republican Wiccan coven!


REALLY!? You do those? I always wanted to try to that but they wont accept single male... democrates.

Edit: rhetorical ploy #5: get posters, who are bored reading varrass beat himself up, change the subject.

Edited, Thu Oct 28 14:49:32 2004 by GitSlayer
#49 Oct 28 2004 at 1:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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Totem knows that voter disenfrachisment is true, hence his desire to hijack the thread away from it. Especially now that his lacky, Varrus, failed.
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#50 Oct 28 2004 at 1:51 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm a little fuzzy why you're so fascinated by that.


The word hypocrite comes to mind. Are we to believe someone who avoids taxes himself but would kill tax cuts in a heartbeat is looking out for anyones best interest but their own?

Varus
#51 Oct 28 2004 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
Totem wrote:
And I'm using rhetorical ploy #12! Suck it! Suck it! Suck it!

Totem


FINALLY!!!

Jebus! I thought was going to have to resort to RP #12 and force feed the joke opportunity to you.
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