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#1 Oct 26 2004 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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Taiwan calls Powell speech ‘big surprise’

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Secretary of State emphasizes ‘one China’

Updated: 12:37 p.m. ET Oct. 26, 2004

TAIPEI, Taiwan - Secretary ofState Colin Powell has angered Taiwanese officials and lawmakers by making unusually strong comments denying that the island is an independent nation and suggesting Taiwan should unify with China.

Washington usually avoids weighing in on the touchy split, which arose when Mao Zedong’s communist army won control of the Chinese mainland in 1949 and anti-communist forces took refuge on Taiwan.

But Powell waded into the unification question Monday in interviews with CNN and Hong Kong-based Phoenix Television during a one-day visit to China.

According to a State Department transcript, Powell told Phoenix:

“There is only one China. Taiwan is not independent. It does not enjoy sovereignty as a nation, and that remains our policy, our firm policy.”

That was a departure from the U.S. government’s longtime “one China policy,” a purposely fuzzy approach that merely “acknowledges” people on both sides of the Taiwan Strait agree there is one China. Washington also insists differences should be settled peacefully and in recent years has emphasized that the Taiwanese people should have a say in the matter.

Taiwan is highly sensitive to any kind of language—especially from Washington—that might suggest their democratic island is part of the communist mainland. Taiwanese view China’s government to be repressive and have spent decades resisting rule by Beijing, which occasionally threatens to use force to bring the island under its sway.

Rebuking Powell without mentioning him by name, Taiwanese President Chen Shui-bian told visiting former South Korean President Kim Young-sam on Tuesday that the island is a separate nation.

“Taiwan is absolutely a sovereign, independent nation. It’s a great nation, and it absolutely does not belong to the People’s Republic of China. That is the present situation, that is the reality,” Chen said.

Using the island’s official name, Republic of China, Chen said no country had the right to tell Taiwan it isn’t independent.

“Other countries, whether they have official diplomatic relations with our country or not, have no way of influencing or deny the present situation and the fact that the Republic of China or Taiwan is a sovereign, independent nation,” Chen said.

Taiwanese Premier Yu Shyi-kun made a terse response to Powell’s comment. “Taiwan is a sovereign, independent nation. This is reality,” Yu told reporters Tuesday.

Foreign Minister Mark Chen told lawmakers that Powell used “heavy language” that left “a deep impression” on Taiwan. He also complained Washington didn’t warn Taiwan that Powell would depart from long-standing policy.

“They (America) hope that we’ll try hard not to give them any surprises. They’ve really dropped an extremely big surprise on us,” said Chen, adding that Taiwan had asked for explanations from U.S. officials in Washington and Taiwan.

Lawmakers with the ruling Democratic Progressive Party also complained.

“This kind of talk ignores reality. The Democratic Progressive Party’s legislative caucus absolutely won’t accept it,” lawmaker Tsai Huang-liang said.

In an interview with CNN, Powell appeared to suggest Taiwan and China both favor unification. He said he didn’t want to see either side “take unilateral action that would prejudice an eventual outcome, a reunification that all parties are seeking.”

The Taiwan issue is extremely awkward for the United States. Washington doesn’t want to appear to be forcing Taiwan to become part of the communist mainland. But the United States doesn’t want Taiwan to provoke a war with China—a conflict that would likely involve U.S. forces.





So how do we claim to be promoting freedom in one country while outright denying it in another?
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#2 Oct 26 2004 at 5:35 PM Rating: Good
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I'd say our policy should hinge on the level of human rights violations imposed on Taiwan by China.

Since I don't know what that level is, I can't really say.




Edited, Tue Oct 26 18:37:20 2004 by trickybeck
#3 Oct 26 2004 at 5:49 PM Rating: Good
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Taiwan used to be a province of China before the Communist party took over. It is still under the rule of the government that preceded the communists.

The Republic of China (old govt) as it is was known is now basically isolated to Taiwan and a number of smaller islands and is now basically referred to as Taiwan.

The Peoples Republic of China (commies) consider the the govt of Taiwan illegitimate since it overthrew it on the mainland back in 1949. Taiwan is a a hub of production (made in Taiwan anyone?) so China wants it.

Of course the United States has been protecting Taiwan and working a truce between the two but China is the ever emerging super power militarily and more importantly economically so the US is starting to choose its battles.

The people of Taiwan under Chinese rule would be subject to same harsh rules that people in mainland China are facing en masse which isnt a good thing but I doubt it would be another East Timor.
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#5 Oct 26 2004 at 6:09 PM Rating: Decent
China has taken some impressive steps towards capitalism and a market economy. The mainland is making excellent progress towards becoming a moderate socialist power as opposed to a hardline communist power like the direction the USSR took. As long as China doesnt aspire to become the next USSR perhaps we should make some concessions to reward it's progressive attitude and policy. This probably also puts a chip down on the bargaining table when it comes to North Korea.. Just a thought.
#6 Oct 27 2004 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
I was talking to a Chinese man (in china via MSN messanger) and he said that with the total change over in leadership, the Chinese are starting to build up forces against Taiwan, yet they are afraid to invade it.

Why?

Because the leadership thinks "George Bush is crazy enough to drop atomic bomb".(To quote Li exactly)

I am very nervous about what will be China's response to the U.S. Presidential election with respect to Taiwan...
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#7 Oct 27 2004 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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I was talking to a Chinese man (in china via MSN messanger) and he said that with the total change over in leadership, the Chinese are starting to build up forces against Taiwan, yet they are afraid to invade it.

Why?

Because the leadership thinks "George Bush is crazy enough to drop atomic bomb".(To quote Li exactly)

I am very nervous about what will be China's response to the U.S. Presidential election with respect to Taiwan...


The above statement is ridiculous. Even if it isn't made up.

#8 Oct 27 2004 at 2:34 PM Rating: Decent
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China has taken some impressive steps towards capitalism and a market economy. The mainland is making excellent progress towards becoming a moderate socialist power as opposed to a hardline communist power like the direction the USSR took. As long as China doesnt aspire to become the next USSR perhaps we should make some concessions to reward it's progressive attitude and policy. This probably also puts a chip down on the bargaining table when it comes to North Korea.. Just a thought.


China has taken some impressive steps towards providing the US economy with money while having exactly the same horrendous human rights record it has in the past.

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#9 Oct 27 2004 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Hearing that Powell would say such a thing really makes me wonder what the **** is going on with this government and why people don't realize this kind of crap is as bad as it is. If you watch the news in places some places in southeast asia it can sound an awful lot like China is thinks of Taiwan as a renegade state when they're basically wanting to not go through the same crap that China does to its people. Hearing that the secretary of state did this makes me wonder how seriously he considers much of any situation since this comment seems extremely callous.
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