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#52 Oct 26 2004 at 3:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Tard,

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I'm sure that at the time they didn't feel particularly liberated, more like subjugated.


As opposed to the liberty they enjoyed under Mussolini and Hitler.


Varus


I'm not saying they did want to be liberated...but I call bullsh[u][/u]it on whether you know if they did or not.

You don't know jack about European History or have ever even spoken with someone who was "liberated" by the US during WWII.

You are talking out of your ***.

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#53 Oct 27 2004 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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As opposed to the liberty they enjoyed under Mussolini and Hitler.
Hitler and Mussolini where hugely popular with thier native populations, because they where Nationalists and thus all the jobs, money, benefits and the like went to the native Italians and Germans.

To say that Hitler and Mussolini where somehow unpopular in Italy and Germany bespeaks of a level of ignorance that only you could achive.
#54 Oct 27 2004 at 4:56 AM Rating: Decent
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Seems like there's getting to be some more comments about Iraq and terrorism so thought I might throw in my few thoughts.

How most people that think invading Iraq was a good idea because it was controlled by a dictator. Even though now that sadaam is out they'll probably become a bit of a theocracy that will be even more oppressive kinda like Iran. Though trying to take out a dictator is a nice thought, and after all its the thought that counts.

Those that think that invading Iraq was a bad idea (and why Europe aren't exactly ecstatic) is because of the wonderful world of precedents probably and resources. By putting so many soldiers into a war with a country for these few years we're left with less soldiers that would be around for if we had a problem with North Korea or Iran or if a help is needed with the west bank or even something domestic.

But then with the thing about precedents. By invading a country that wasn't threatening us in any way it can make other countrys more paranoid and try building up more arms for if the America gets involved in things again. And by not trying to make a case for the war that could be seen as legitamite it makes the US look more insane and make diplomatic ties with iffy countrys worse since they'd have to worry of getting screwed and many more countrys have been working at nuclear arms now. And making iffy countrys more paniced probably isn't a comforting thought since if they start breaking out in war it could spread out to more of the world and lead into the nightmare of world war III (far fetched but "could" happen).

So basically: Thinking through plans and coming out with convincing reasoning = Good. Going through with rough ideas and false reasoning = Bad.
#55 Oct 27 2004 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
Picksy,

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I'm not saying they did want to be liberated...but I call ******** on whether you know if they did or not.


You know I don't need to look at the sun to know whether i'm going to get sunburned if I stay out in it either but that doesn't make it untrue.


Tard

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To say that Hitler and Mussolini where somehow unpopular in Italy and Germany bespeaks of a level of ignorance that only you could achive


Ok everyone else that's lived in Germany raise your hand. I've lived with those mofos and they were, and still are, terrified of even the thought of Hitler. Hell a guy living a couple doors down was arrested for having **** paraphanella in his apartment. Not to mention I'm quite sure all the relatives of the people slaugthered by those dictators weren't to fond of them either. And to insinuate that Hitler at some point garnerd the support of the majority of germans is an out and out lie, you have heard of crystal night? At no point did Hitler ever have more than 50% of Germans support. That would be like saying that Saddam did actually receive 100% support in the election. So say what you will and continue to twist the truth, it's what you do best.

Varus

#56 Oct 27 2004 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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pies?

pumpkin pie is the best :P


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<~~~ craving pumpkin pie now
#57 Oct 27 2004 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
varrussword wrote:
Picksy,

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I'm not saying they did want to be liberated...but I call ******** on whether you know if they did or not.


You know I don't need to look at the sun to know whether i'm going to get sunburned if I stay out in it either but that doesn't make it untrue.


Utter ************** know nothing of European History....and even if you did you don't have any first or even second hand info.

Your opinion is meaningless.






#58 Oct 27 2004 at 11:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Wait a second...he knows about Hitlary, after all.

Smiley: lol

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#59 Oct 27 2004 at 11:46 AM Rating: Decent
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. And to insinuate that Hitler at some point garnerd the support of the majority of germans is an out and out lie, you have heard of crystal night? At no point did Hitler ever have more than 50% of Germans support.


Hahaha.

Haha.

AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

Study history much?
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#60 Oct 27 2004 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
Smashed,

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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERhitler.htm


Check it out you might actually learn something, but I doubt it.


Varus
#61 Oct 27 2004 at 12:00 PM Rating: Decent
varrussword wrote:
Smashed,

[quote]http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERhitler.htm


Check it out you might actually learn something, but I doubt it.




How many PhD's do you have, Varus?

Somewhere around the same number of bills GWB has passed?

The number that is sometimes known as null?

It comes before 1 and after -1?

A candybar is named after it?

It's what the waitress at the diner down the road calls you?

Yep, you guessed it...

ZERO.
#62 Oct 27 2004 at 12:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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varrussword wrote:
Check it out you might actually learn something, but I doubt it.


Varus, do you actually read these things before you post them?


Hitler, who had for years been ignored when he made political speeches, now had a captive audience.

Germany was a defeated and disillusioned country.

The German soldiers who attended his lectures shared his sense of failure.

They found his message that they were not to blame attractive. He told them that Germany had not been beaten on the battlefield but had been betrayed by Jews and Marxists who had preached revolution and undermined the war effort.

By the end of the speech the audience would be in a state of near hysteria and were willing to do whatever Hitler suggested.

Hitler's ability to arouse in his supporters emotions of anger and hate often resulted in their committing acts of violence.


Yeah, they hated him. Smiley: lol

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#63 Oct 27 2004 at 12:03 PM Rating: Decent
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If you think the VAST, VAST, majority of Germans weren't supporting Hitler by 1939 you have absolutely no clue about the **** movement in Germany.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#64 Oct 27 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
They weren't...
Something of a 35 % supported Hitler...
#65 Oct 27 2004 at 12:17 PM Rating: Decent
Bahamutdragon wrote:
They weren't...
Something of a 35 % supported Hitler...


Some sort of cite or proof of this number?

#66 Oct 27 2004 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Bahamutdragon wrote:
They weren't...
Something of a 35 % supported Hitler...


Don't suppose you have any fact, source or relevant context for this tidbit of information, do you?

Nah, that's just crazy talk.

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#67 Oct 27 2004 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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They weren't...
Something of a 35 % supported Hitler...


Yeah, you're wrong. I'm aware that there's some sort of revisionist "Good vs Evil" education going on in public high schools that would like to embed the notion that the poor German populace suffered under the tyrannical leadership of an evil overlord because of election numbers from the early 30s.

The reality, however, is that Hitler enjoyed OVERWHELMING support by 1939. On the order of 80%.

Sorry. People are generally idiots and accept propaganda like children accept candy. They LOVED Hitler. If this board had existed in 1939 the vast majority of posters would have LOVED Hitler, believed that Jews were the cause of all their problems and would have happily worked in concentration camps slaughtering them.

Because people want to believe what they're told and want to be part of something important. It's just the way we are.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#68 Oct 27 2004 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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"The essence of propaganda consists in winning people over to an idea so sincerely, so vitally, that in the end they succumb to it utterly and can never escape from it."
- Goebbels(Hitler's "Minister of Enlightenment")
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#69 Oct 27 2004 at 1:01 PM Rating: Good
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At no point did Hitler ever have more than 50% of Germans support. That would be like saying that Saddam did actually receive 100% support in the election.
In reply i will post information for this website The third Reich

In the election of March 1933, the **** party received the single largest share of the vote, giving them 44 per cent of the seats in the German parliament. This in itself was not an outright majority, but when the smaller nationalist and right wing parties were added to the **** total, Hitler in effect had 52% of the popular vote behind him. These smaller parties were to later of their own free will merge with the **** Party.

Fifty two percent of the popular vote is a total that most modern politicians would regard as an overwhelming majority: Most Western European governments come to power with far less, usually around 30 to 40 per cent of the vote.


also to add.

Once in power, the ***** then combined their mastery of propaganda with an extended program of political and social reform. Within three years, this had persuaded the vast majority of Germans to vote for Hitler. Upon taking office in 1933, Hitler made a public speech asking the Germans for four years in office, after which he would hold a referendum to test the popularity of his government. This referendum was duly held with the simple question " Do you approve of the National Socialist Government or not" being printed on the ballot papers.

The result even surprised Hitler: a staggering 44,461,2787 "yes" votes, or 98.8 per cent of the qualified voter total of 45,453,691 was recorded. "No" votes amounted to a paltry 540,211 total. (Baynes, Hitler's Speeches, 1922-1939, Vol. 2 Royal Institute of International Affairs, London).

Even taking into account that some people might have been too frightened to express opposition, this still indicates a level of support which would be unobtainable by any politician in any modern democracy.




#70 Oct 27 2004 at 1:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Nothing to see here, move along.

Edited, Wed Oct 27 14:02:51 2004 by tarv
#71 Oct 27 2004 at 1:10 PM Rating: Decent
Smasharoo wrote:

They weren't...
Something of a 35 % supported Hitler...


Yeah, you're wrong. I'm aware that there's some sort of revisionist "Good vs Evil" education going on in public high schools that would like to embed the notion that the poor German populace suffered under the tyrannical leadership of an evil overlord because of election numbers from the early 30s.

The reality, however, is that Hitler enjoyed OVERWHELMING support by 1939. On the order of 80%.

Sorry. People are generally idiots and accept propaganda like children accept candy. They LOVED Hitler. If this board had existed in 1939 the vast majority of posters would have LOVED Hitler, believed that Jews were the cause of all their problems and would have happily worked in concentration camps slaughtering them.

Because people want to believe what they're told and want to be part of something important. It's just the way we are.


Actually, Smash...see where the poster is posting from?

I bet there IS revisionist history taught in Belgium.

#72 Oct 27 2004 at 1:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've lived with those mofos
My, you've been a busy little boy. Was this before or after being raised in the ghetto an illegitamite child of your Rolls-Royce driving 'uncle', fighting off gangs, forming a semipro-basketball team and drawing in huge crowds, working on lawns in Texa-- no, Kentucky, running a maintenance company, sawing a tree into 3000 clocks, training attack dogs for the police, talking with your Green Beret buddies, not going to bars unless you went to a bar and being told you've be fired for voting? Smiley: laugh

Edited, Wed Oct 27 14:23:49 2004 by Jophiel
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#73 Oct 27 2004 at 1:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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RACK that, Joph.

I've never racked before. Feels goooooood.

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#74 Oct 27 2004 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
Yes, Tare...I'm sure your RACK feels good.
#75 Oct 27 2004 at 1:28 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can be assured that my rack is abundant and large.

Yay!
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#76 Oct 27 2004 at 1:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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Whoops. I forgot about Varrus's four years of college and two years of graduate school. Which must come in real useful when collecting the okra harvest.
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