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#27 Oct 25 2004 at 5:05 PM Rating: Default

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Maybe un-evolved neanderthals like yourself do it that way, but we evolved humans have invented weapons to increase our power beyond that of 'waving hands' and 'screaming'.

You're forgetting that even neanderthals had weapons too, and they didn't use their power of "wavings hands" and "screaming". Well done sh[i][/i]it-****.

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#28 Oct 25 2004 at 5:10 PM Rating: Decent

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i looked on ebay, ebay.co.uk is pretty empty and ebay.com only delivers inside of yankeeland, plus, i really wanna make a good one i can call my own

#29 Oct 25 2004 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent

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Draw weight is about 44 pounds ~ we shaved the centre-haft too thin, and it's made of scottish spring hazel. It's 70" (made it for Dracoid's height, not mine).

Purely a 1st attempt to practice the tensioning and spoke-shave technique. Looking for a nice piece of Yew to make a proper one

Well it sounds pretty nice for a first attempt. Yew is probaly your best bet.

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Hunting live prey with bows was made illegal in the UK a few years back. Think it may be the 92 firearms act but not certain

Well that just plain sucks. If you guys ever wanna come to America I'll take you upstate and we will go hunting.

Edit:spelling sucks

Edited, Mon Oct 25 18:12:30 2004 by jademage

#30 Oct 25 2004 at 5:11 PM Rating: Decent

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You're forgetting that even neanderthals had weapons too, and they didn't use their power of "wavings hands" and "screaming".

Yes indeed they did have weapons, a stick maybe possibly a stone. Never managed to match the level of sophistication of humans let alone deploy them as effectively.

Kind of obvious considering thier extinct and well...were not.

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#31 Oct 25 2004 at 5:12 PM Rating: Decent

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You're forgetting that even neanderthals had weapons too, and they didn't use their power of "wavings hands" and "screaming".

ooh, ooh a cite! i want some evidence! photos, caveman diaries and such like, i wanna kow where you got this from

i'd like it to be noted now that i'm not saying your'e wrong

#32 Oct 25 2004 at 5:13 PM Rating: Decent

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If you guys ever wanna come to Maerica I'll take you upstate and we will go hunting.

i'm not trusting you behind me with a bow after that whole "communism can't work because russians are gay" episode, nice try

#33 Oct 25 2004 at 5:15 PM Rating: Decent

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i really wanna make a good one i can call my own

Thats realy cool Draco, Well good luck and all, you can also buy the parts to make your own arrows its not even that much of a channgle.

#34 Oct 25 2004 at 5:18 PM Rating: Decent

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i'm not trusting you behind me with a bow after that whole "communism can't work because russians are gay" episode, nice try

I promise if you come state side I'll put out the red flag just for you Draco. Also I never said they were gay... bi maybe gay I doubt it, maybe even a little #12?? LOL

#35 Oct 25 2004 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent

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Arrows were definatley my downfall, i could find a near-perfectly straight peice of hazel, shave it straight, put a nock in it and all was good, but my fletching always comes just slightly out of place and all the barbules of the feather (i used herring-gull, it was all i could find, would the type of feather make a difference?) seperated and my section of feather turned into a scraggy mess of hair which was utterly useless as flights.

#36 Oct 25 2004 at 5:25 PM Rating: Default

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http://www.channel4.com/history/microsites/H/history/heads/footnotes/footstone3.html
Three wooden spears found alongside stone tools and animal bones have been dated as 400,000 years old, yet they are as precisely weighted as modern javelins. The oldest hunting weapons ever found, each was carved from a single trunk of spruce about 2m (6ft) long and has a broad, pointed tip, made from the densest, heaviest part of the wood, and a tapering tail end. Many experts had previously believed that the Neanderthals didn't have the ability to plan a hunt and probably scavenged carcasses. The spears show that not only did the Neanderthals have weapons for killing, they also had an understanding of aerodynamics.

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Never managed to match the level of sophistication of humans

You make it sound like humans have a higher level of sophistication...Dave, just remember who's in charge of America, and the idiots that put him there.

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#37 Oct 25 2004 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good

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I'm going deer stalking in the 13th of November, you have to have a liscense to do it here in good ole Scotland. And a big rifle. That always helps.

#38 Oct 25 2004 at 5:35 PM Rating: Decent

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OMFGZ!!!111ONEONEONE

Like I am ever going to believe a study by 'Channel 4' the broadcastors of such great programs such as 'Big Brother' and 'Celebrity Big Brother'.

That level of intellegent broadcasting I honestly cannot deny their overwhelming scientifical knowledge.

You seem oblivious to the fact that I never said that they didn't have sticks I said they didn't have bows and arrows. Neither did humans in fact but we survived long enough to invent bows and other weapons.

My entire point that humans were superior to neanderthals merely due to survival of the fittest so obviously we must have had something they didn't.

Peace Dumbass...

#39 Oct 25 2004 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent

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Arrows were definatley my downfall, i could find a near-perfectly straight peice of hazel, shave it straight, put a nock in it and all was good, but my fletching always comes just slightly out of place and all the barbules of the feather (i used herring-gull, it was all i could find, would the type of feather make a difference?) seperated and my section of feather turned into a scraggy mess of hair which was utterly useless as flights.

Ok I have to admit I cheat a little here. I buy the shaft from a hoby store and I use a balsa type wood realy light. I use turkey feathers for the fletching. Your best bet is to look this stuff up on line through google. See whats near buy and what you can get a hold of.

#40 Oct 25 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Excellent

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if you let hounds into the wild, then that's what they'd do to foxes,

Erm... no. You have to train the dogs to track and hunt fox. You know what naturally hunts fox? A big bunch of nothing. Fox are at the top of their respective food chains. Even in areas where they overlap territories with coyotes and wolves, they're not usually attacked by those animals. If you let the hounds out into the wild, they'd spend their time knocking over garbage cans and raiding chicken coops, not trying to catch fox for dinner.

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you think rich people have develpoed ways to brainwash dogs into being bastards when they're usually cute little puppies?

Well, yes. It's called training. Do you think I can take a random handful of untrained hounds, get in a red coat, sit on a horse and expect them to go chase after a fox?

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a fox probably spends about a minute or so in agony before they put a bullet in it, can you imagine how long it would take a deer to die from a festering arrow wound hiding in a bush?

From an accurately placed shot? Less than a minute. Are you honestly saying that being mauled by dogs for a minute is better than being shot with an arrow? There's laws against wounding an animal and letting it stumble off to die.

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i'm all for both types of hunting, all i'm saying is that if yer gonna be against one, be against bow/arrows

At what point did I lead you to believe I wasn't? Personally, I think all sport hunting is fairly idiotic.

In the name of accuracy, I did find reference to golden eagles attacking fox in the UK, though I don't think that really applies to the argument. Wolves and other larger carnivores will attack a fox on opportunity (wounded, sick, cornered, etc), but don't make them a common part of their diet.

Edited, Mon Oct 25 18:54:03 2004 by Jophiel

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#41 Oct 25 2004 at 5:55 PM Rating: Decent

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can you imagine how long it would take a deer to die from a festering arrow wound hiding in a bush?

The point of shooting the deer is to kill it not use it as target practice and get bored and wander away when it hobbles off bleeding all over the place.

Yes, please bring a big hunting knife with you to mercifully kill your prey. Leaving an animal to bleed to death is horribly inhumane... And I like to hunt.

#42 Oct 25 2004 at 6:05 PM Rating: Good

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First you talk to Draknor, the bowyer in Baren Town. He sends you on a quest to fetch him 4 vampire bat wings. Go to the Cave of Dissolution and kill Night Bats until you get them. Return them to Draknor and he crafts you the Wretched Longbow of Annihilation.

However, you'll still have to train your ranged attack skill. Kill Were-Turds, Worker Bees, and Angry Fungi in the area just outside town.

If you want to make all your own weapons, you have to train your woodworking craft. Make Lopsided Birdhouses and Enchanted Spice Racks until you get your craft to about level 10. You can make your own fletchings out of Vampire Goose feathers, but the truly l337 only use those from the legendary Flatulent Pheonix in the Zone of Ablation.

Edited, Mon Oct 25 19:06:11 2004 by trickybeck

#43 Oct 25 2004 at 6:11 PM Rating: Default

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OMFGZ!!!111ONEONEONE

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Like I am ever going to believe a study by 'Channel 4' the broadcastors of such great programs such as 'Big Brother' and 'Celebrity Big Brother'.

Dave, I don't think the same people who produced Big Brother carried out the scientific research on Neanderthals. Your point is so stupid, if the BBC had a line of shi[/i]tty programs, would you disregard their news, even after they recieve awards for their news coverage.

http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/story655.shtml

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You seem oblivious to the fact that I never said that they didn't have sticks I said they didn't have bows and arrows.

Did you? Where? -

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Maybe un-evolved neanderthals like yourself do it that way, but we evolved humans have invented weapons to increase our power beyond that of 'waving hands' and 'screaming'.

I don't see it there!

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Yes indeed they did have weapons, a stick maybe possibly a stone. Never managed to match the level of sophistication of humans let alone deploy them as effectively.

Kind of obvious considering thier extinct and well...were not.

u suxors teh b1g!!!111ooneone

Ooo not there either Dave! You sure you didn't imagine it sweetie? Awww...freak

This last bit was beautiful...

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My entire point that humans were superior to neanderthals

No sh[i]it! I don't think any of us could have figured that out?!

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due to survival of the fittest so obviously we must have had something they didn't.

They didn't have you gracing them with your intelligence and oh so witty posts.......lucky bastards.

Peace sh[i][/i]it-face

#44 Oct 25 2004 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good

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Are nerves being struck yet?

#45 Oct 26 2004 at 5:05 AM Rating: Decent

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Erm... no. You have to train the dogs to track and hunt fox. You know what naturally hunts fox? A big bunch of nothing. Fox are at the top of their respective food chains. Even in areas where they overlap territories with coyotes and wolves, they're not usually attacked by those animals. If you let the hounds out into the wild, they'd spend their time knocking over garbage cans and raiding chicken coops, not trying to catch fox for dinner.

well foxes would do it to rabbits and the like, and hounds would be doing it to chickens, just because it's happening to a fox isn't any worse than what would be happening to everything else in the wild

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From an accurately placed shot? Less than a minute. Are you honestly saying that being mauled by dogs for a minute is better than being shot with an arrow? There's laws against wounding an animal and letting it stumble off to die.

there's laws against it so it never happens? so thats how laws work...

and yes, if given the choice of spending a minute being mauled by dogs and spending 2 days bleeding and starving full of arrows, i'd take the first one, but i'm sure we'd have to ask each individual fox/deer if we were ever going to settle the argument

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Personally, I think all sport hunting is fairly idiotic.

I think jenga is fairly idiotic, your point?

#46 Oct 26 2004 at 7:06 AM Rating: Good

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If you ever come stateside, Drac, I'll take you to kill some furry things. Possibly some feathered things as well, depending on the season. I can also offer you the opportunity to pull scaly things forth from the waters.

As far as bowhunting, I consider it to be a pasttime only. I've killed many a target with the bow and a few squirrels, but never a deer. I know a lot of people who do so, but it's never appealed to me. My deer hunting is restricted to bringing home food to put on the table. I've killed a few bucks that most people would have mounted (one is hanging on my parents wall because the old man couldn't STAND to see it go to 'waste'), but I don't really see the point. Personally, I'd rather shoot a fat young doe any day.

Anyway, if you really want to kill something with a bow, get yourself a good compound bow with a decent draw. Don't shoot at stuff over 45 yards, and be prepared to miss from time to time. This sort of stuff goes back to why I prefer a gun....

Bow hunting for deer is mostly an early fall thing, by the way. It continues later in the season pretty much only as a novelty once gun season opens.

#47 Oct 26 2004 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent

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i'm not falling for that "furry things" routine again stephens

#48 Oct 26 2004 at 7:33 AM Rating: Good

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You sure do got a purty mouth.

You sure you don't want me to take you out in the woods?

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jademage wrote:

Also You can't I repeat CAN'T kill or even maim a bear with a bow and arrow. No matter how great a shot you are. I used to go bear hunting up in New York state with a 22 rifle, remenington I believe and even with three or four shots to the chest and heart area it would still either come at us or wonder off. Good Luck and remeber with a home made bow saftey first. What are you using for the draw string any way?? I made mine outta dear interstine. Has lasted me about 5 yrs now.

Bullsh[b][/b]it. I took out a blackbear earlier this year in a limited season hunt here in Maryland with my bow.

And a .22. Hell my cousin accidently shot me with one of those. .22's are pretty freaking *****. If your a big enough dumbass to hunt a bear with one thats your problem.

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and yes, if given the choice of spending a minute being mauled by dogs and spending 2 days bleeding and starving full of arrows

Ah, so in the wonders of Dracoidland, every fox is mercifully killed moments after the dogs hit it but every deer is turned into a pincushion and left to wander off for two days Smiley: lol

Well, that explains it.

Personally, I'd choose option #3 where I'm neither mauled nor shot. Much like the happy li'l fox would be if left alone by the silly redcoats on their ponies.

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I think jenga is fairly idiotic, your point?

My point is that I didn't finish my post with an inane non sequiter like "If you're against Jenga, you have to be against all games! Even Monopoly!"

Edited, Tue Oct 26 10:06:46 2004 by Jophiel

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#51 Oct 26 2004 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good

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A .22 rimfire cartridge can do massive damage under the right circumstances. Assuming that the bullet enters the chest cavity without striking bone and does trike bone instead of exiting, the shrapnel can make soup of an animal's innards.

That being said, I'd never count on a .22 to kill anything much larger than a dog. I've seen succesful deer kills with a .22 that would make you wonder why anyone would want something bigger. I've also seen a deer run for 300 yards with his heart in tatters and almost no external bleeding.

The idea behind using a larger caliber is for the increased likelyhood of a clean kill.

An arrow can do huge amounts of damage It can also do next to nothing, depending on where you hit, the amount of force behind it and what type of head is on the arrow. I've seen pics of bears killed with bows (always black, never brown). Personally, if I were going to shoot a bear, it would be in self defense, and I'd want the biggest gun I could lay my hands on. There are many stories of brown bears taking a 30.-06 slug to the skull and coming on strong because the slug didn't penetrate.

When in AK, I used a .338 mag, which is a bit on the light side, but still small enough to use on whitetail deer around here. I killed a moose, but no brown bear. Moose doesn't taste that good; I don't reccommend it. The meat is kinda grainy and just not as good as deer.

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