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#1 Oct 20 2004 at 10:21 AM Rating: Good
... He created The Grand Canyon?

Sad, really.

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#2 Oct 20 2004 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
That's just ig'nernt.
#3 Oct 20 2004 at 10:28 AM Rating: Good
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That's just ig'nernt.
You sure you dont live in the East Pickle?
#4 Oct 20 2004 at 10:43 AM Rating: Decent
I, like most San Franciscans, am not native to the West.

I'm originally a 'Bama Boy.

#5 Oct 20 2004 at 10:47 AM Rating: Decent
Now wait a minute here, did I miss something. Did they take out the "goverment and religion" clause when I wasn't looking??
#6 Oct 20 2004 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent

wow....i'm a bush fan and a Christian, but that could be the most insane theory I've heard.

I also heard that thunder is caused by angels bowling, it rains because God is crying, and the Holy Grail is actualy the coffee mug I'm drinking out of right now!
#7 Oct 20 2004 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
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Why that's just plum crazy. God didn't make the Grand Canyon, I did! I was diggin' there for what seemed to be years and years before I finally finished that thing. Too bad I couldn't get a good rain; I was trying to make a lake.

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#8 Oct 20 2004 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
/Soapbox on

Doesn't the article state biblical time scale?

I think that means that the book's author is trying to say the grand canyon was created in a sudden 'geologically speaking) series of events, as opposed to the generally accepted explanation for its origin. Now, you (and I) don't have to agree with his interpretation of events. But we should defend his freedom to express that interpreation, regardless. The book, along with many others, is offered at museums and bookstores. It's not as if it's being endorsed as the only possible 'truth' by the park service.

Dumb people trying to promote their religious agenda in a book that makes no sense to anyone who looks at the facts obejectively should not have their works banned from stores.

That's suppression of stupid people. If we're going to do that, I'm all for it. But I get to decide who's stupid and how to suppress them (a bullet, perhaps?).

As it is, you can expect this author to be economically suppressed for putting something so outrageous in writing and asking people to pay money for it.

The article also indicates that the plaques were sponsored. I'd assume that indicates anyone could sponsor a plaque with any sort of inspirational text on it, regardless of the source and that only those plaques with biblical quotes were removed in the first place.

THAT sounds more like religious suppression than separation of church and state. The idea is that the state should have no opinion on the subject of religion, provided that a religion does not interfere with the state.

Plaques at parks sponsored by individuals who pay for them don't unduly influence the state.

/soapbox off

We can't just let the politically correct people have freedom. It has to be everyone.
#9 Oct 20 2004 at 11:11 AM Rating: Good
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Why that's just plum crazy. God didn't make the Grand Canyon, I did! I was diggin' there for what seemed to be years and years before I finally finished that thing. Too bad I couldn't get a good rain; I was trying to make a lake.

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#10 Oct 20 2004 at 11:29 AM Rating: Good
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Why that's just plum crazy. God didn't make the Grand Canyon, I did! I was diggin' there for what seemed to be years and years before I finally finished that thing. Too bad I couldn't get a good rain; I was trying to make a lake.

Don't lie. We all know good and hell well where the Grand Canyon came from. The jews didn't go around Sinai for 40 years, they went around the world. One of them dropped a shekel in a gopher hole and the whole lot of them had to wait for that greedy SOB to dig it out. ;)
#11 Oct 20 2004 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can **************** you that you won't fine ONE text in the Park Services bookstores promoting a non-Christian religious view of the creation of the Grand Canyon without a disclaimer.

Where are the Native American myths presented as truth?
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#12 Oct 20 2004 at 11:44 AM Rating: Good
Where are the Native American myths presented as truth?

Probably in Native American home schools, and about nowhere else.


I agree that it's ridiculous to try to present Christian mythology as true history. It's just as ridiculous to present Native American mythology as history.

Considering how many practicing Christians there are in this country, I'm not surprised that the book is out there. They can even take it seriously if they'd like.

It's a bad idea to stand in the way of someone else's stupidity. That starts crusades and marches about being oppressed, whereas allowing them the freedom to wallow in the garbage to their hearts content allows me free time for EQ.
#13 Oct 20 2004 at 11:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, it's not as though the Park Service writes the books. Some guy interested in the Grand Canyon writes the book and maybe the Park Service picks it out of the publisher's catalog as something they think will sell in their gift shop. I don't know how many books are written explaining the Grand Canyon with Native American, Japanese, Assyrian, Inuit or Aztec myth but I'm guessing it's not a very large number.

I'm not for the administration's weaseling of religion into government such as replacing condom use fact sheets with abstinence propaganda but I see this as a non-issue until the NPS is required to get rid of the fifty books they probably have on the shelf about erosion and geological forces.
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#15 Oct 20 2004 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
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TS wrote:
Native American mythology as history.



that would be funny,
most of their myths involve talking animals..
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#16 Oct 20 2004 at 12:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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And that's more amusing than taking advice from a burning bush because...?
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#17 Oct 20 2004 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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wow....i'm complete a tard, but that could be the most insane theory I've heard.


Edited, Wed Oct 20 12:55:27 2004 by proofkuniva


Almost clever; do a quick grammar check before you attempt witty insults.
#18 Oct 20 2004 at 12:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, the bush was possessed by GOD!! Smiley: bowdown

Edited, Wed Oct 20 13:27:23 2004 by Kelvyquayo
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#19 Oct 20 2004 at 12:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Technically the bush was possessed by an angel of God who was channeling God to Moses Smiley: wink2
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#20 Oct 20 2004 at 12:50 PM Rating: Good
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Does it really matter what the Park Service sells in their bookstore? It's not like they're an accredited teaching institution.

So long as they don't go down a Slippery Slope and sell ONLY religious books.

#21 Oct 20 2004 at 12:54 PM Rating: Excellent
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I've been hitting up the Chicago Art Institute to stock cigarettes and beer for years. Probably sell better than yet another coffee table book of Cézanne paintings.
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#22 Oct 20 2004 at 12:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I thought the great lakes were a result of the flood.
#23 Oct 20 2004 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I've been hitting up the Chicago Art Institute to stock cigarettes and beer for years. Probably sell better than yet another coffee table book of Cézanne paintings.


This park service owned establishment serves booze and has some mightly fine oysters and crabcakes.

Go figure.

#24 Oct 20 2004 at 1:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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Lake Huron rolls, Superior sings
In the ruins of her ice water mansion
Old Michigan steams like a young man's dreams
Its isles and bays are for sportsmen

And farther below Lake Ontario
Takes in what Lake Erie can send her
And the iron boats go as the mariners all know
With the gales of November remembered

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything but the mention of the Great Lakes put it in my head so you all have to suffer as well


Edited, Wed Oct 20 14:03:36 2004 by Jophiel
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