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I'm Switching it up today and attacking Jeb.Follow

#1 Oct 19 2004 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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Never again would Florida voters be victimized as they were in 2000 by election systems that even the US Supreme Court, which awarded the presidency to George W. Bush, acknowledges violated the Constitution's equal protection clause. That was the promise of Jeb Bush in May 2001, when he signed reform legislation and declared, "[We] have resolved the problem. Other states ought to look at this as a model...."



Whew.... well thank goodness for that.

A "minor technical difficulty" in Florida's touchscreen voting systems will make manual recounts impossible. Miami-Dade and Broward counties are among the counties involved.

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,63837,00.html

and then

An electronic system to identify voters and verify registration failed as soon as voting began at nine voting stations. The Election officials claim communication problems and "the meltdown in these nine laptops."

Former President Jimmy Carter told the BBC that "voting arrangements in Florida do not meet 'basic international requirements' and could undermine the US election."

Carter said "a repeat of the irregularities of the much-disputed 2000 election... 'seems likely.'"


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3693354.stm


E-voting firm reports computer break-in
Federal authorities investigating VoteHere intrusion


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3825143/

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/7674

Voter Purge Lists in Florida Still Contain Inaccurate Information

http://www.civilrights.org/issues/cj/details.cfm?id=24661

In Latin America they might have called them votantes desaparecidos, "disappeared voters." On November 7 tens of thousands of eligible Florida voters were wrongly prevented from casting their ballots--some purged from the voter registries and others blocked from registering in the first instance. Nearly all were Democrats, nearly half of them African-American.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20010205&s=palast

I could go on and on and on and on.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/content/news/epaper/2004/10/07/m1a_elections_1007.html

http://web.morons.org/article.jsp?id=5297

http://www.fairvote.org/righttovote/fessenden.htm

http://slate.msn.com/id/2105524/

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/07/28/florida.voting.ap/

http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics/ns09232004.cfm

Another case of a Bush saying something is finished when its not:

"Six months ago," he said, "I stood on this very deck and told you all that Saddam Hussein has been defeated, and the war in Iraq is over. Now, I am here to tell you the very same thing. Saddam Hussein has still been defeated, and the war in Iraq is still over. God bless America!"


of course i had to get my stab in at GW.

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#2 Oct 19 2004 at 3:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why in God's name are they even pushing to have these piece of sh[u][/u]it machines out for the election this year??

What's that? Diebold is a contributor to the Republican party? Ooooohhhh...
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#3 Oct 19 2004 at 3:24 PM Rating: Decent
perhaps it's because retards started crying about hanging chads last year, or that whole "taking a presidential election to the courtroom" thing. Can you blame them for trying a new and "simpler" system?

Oooh, ooh, push da button!

Okay, yeah it's having problems, show me a system that actually worked flawlessly the first time out.
#4 Oct 19 2004 at 3:29 PM Rating: Decent
Whatever problems that may have occured, at least there was SOME record of the votes in Flordia. WIth the new system... it's insanely easy to hack the system (several people have done so already), it leaves no paper trail and plenty of votes have been destroyed because of crashes.

To put it simply- they're screwed.
#5 Oct 19 2004 at 3:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Show me a system that didn't allow recounts as demanded by law but was still being pushed for one of the most potentially controversial elections in the nation's history.
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#6 Oct 19 2004 at 3:37 PM Rating: Decent
Well, all I can say is.... Thats what happens. The Demmies played an awfully big hand to get Gore in and it failed. Now this election comes around and you cant just leave the same system in place that was brought to court last time around so of course it's going to be changed. Problem is, it got changed to something that is even worse. Ce est la vie.. This is why we leave good enough alone. Besides, Gore didnt even win in the recount anyways. It was much ado about nothing and here is the price you pay. Who wants to take bets that Bush carries Florida again? hmm?
#7 Oct 19 2004 at 3:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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Problem is, it got changed to something that is even worse. Ce est la vie.. This is why we leave good enough alone
That's the spirit. If something is broken, leave it broken because otherwise the Republicans will push through bad technology to appease their contributors and it'll be all your fault for noticing something was broken Smiley: rolleyes

Edited, Tue Oct 19 16:41:38 2004 by Jophiel
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#8 Oct 19 2004 at 3:41 PM Rating: Decent
Actually, Gore would have won if the entire state had been recounted.

For that matter, getting changed could have been simply going to the Voting Machines the rest of the bloody country uses. Trying out a new system that people have known has problems for months in a state that was heavily contested last year is a horrible, horrible idea.

The fact that these machines, which are buggy, unproven and easily maniupulated, also have no kind of oversight for recounts (paper trail) is probably the worst idea I've ever heard of.
#9 Oct 19 2004 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, all I can say is.... Thats what happens. The Demmies played an awfully big hand to get Gore in and it failed. Now this election comes around and you cant just leave the same system in place that was brought to court last time around so of course it's going to be changed. Problem is, it got changed to something that is even worse. Ce est la vie.. This is why we leave good enough alone. Besides, Gore didnt even win in the recount anyways. It was much ado about nothing and here is the price you pay. Who wants to take bets that Bush carries Florida again? hmm?


C'est la vie?!?!?

Goddamnit, Lefein...I'm almost lulled into tolerating you and then you bust this sh[/u]it out.

The right and privilege to vote is frigging as close to sacred as it gets in the the U.S. Poltical system.

C'est la vie???? What the fu[u]
ck ever.

They should have ALREADY had this sh[u][/u]it together and they fact they haven't is extremely disingenuous.

If it comes down to Florida again, there will be rioting.

Edited, Tue Oct 19 16:44:09 2004 by pickleprince
#10 Oct 19 2004 at 3:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, man... "Ce est la vie" Smiley: wink2
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#11 Oct 19 2004 at 3:49 PM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
No, man... "Ce est la vie" Smiley: wink2


You know it's "c'est la vie", Robbie Nevil!
#12 Oct 19 2004 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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#13 Oct 19 2004 at 3:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm more of a Doris Day Que Sera Sera type of guy, myself.
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#14 Oct 19 2004 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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Lefein, Vous ne parlez pas le puits français.
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#15 Oct 19 2004 at 3:59 PM Rating: Decent
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Warlord Lefein wrote:
Well, all I can say is.... Thats what happens. The Demmies played an awfully big hand to get Gore in and it failed. Now this election comes around and you cant just leave the same system in place that was brought to court last time around so of course it's going to be changed. Problem is, it got changed to something that is even worse. Ce est la vie.. This is why we leave good enough alone. Besides, Gore didnt even win in the recount anyways. It was much ado about nothing and here is the price you pay. Who wants to take bets that Bush carries Florida again? hmm?


C'est la vie?!?!?

Goddamnit, Lefein...I'm almost lulled into tolerating you and then you bust this sh[/u]it out.

The right and privilege to vote is frigging as close to sacred as it gets in the the U.S. Poltical system.

C'est la vie???? What the fu[u]
ck ever.

They should have ALREADY had this sh[u][/u]it together and they fact they haven't is extremely disingenuous.

If it comes down to Florida again, there will be rioting.

Edited, Tue Oct 19 16:44:09 2004 by pickleprince


I totally agree with you, Im just saying the system has opened its bunghole to even more wrongdoing... Don't shoot the messenger! Yes, my French is terrible, I've never eaten a snail in my life =P
#16 Oct 19 2004 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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You people put THE WORST songs in my head. Smiley: banghead

I'm going home now. So I can listen to even more horrible music in the car.
#17 Oct 19 2004 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
I'm more of a Doris Day Que Sera Sera type of guy, myself.


I'm more of a Sly and the Family Stone Que Sera Sera person.
#18 Oct 19 2004 at 4:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why the hate for Doris Day? Smiley: frown

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#19 Oct 19 2004 at 4:21 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
I'm more of a Doris Day Que Sera Sera type of guy, myself.


When I was just a little girl
I asked my mother
What will I be?
Will I behappy?
Will I be rich?
My Mother said to me...
"How the f[/i]uckin' Hell should I know, ****? Think I have a Crystal Fu[i]ckin' ball ya dozy cu[i][/i]nt?"


Was that the song?
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#20 Oct 19 2004 at 4:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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I think that was the Puff Daddy remix.

When I was just a little girl (oh yeah)
I asked my mother, "What will I be?" (uh huh)


Edited, Tue Oct 19 17:26:04 2004 by Jophiel
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#21 Oct 19 2004 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
Considering Diebold is a contributor to the republican party wouldn't it ease alot of people if they were forced to release the programming code so that we would know they weren't rigging the election?
#22 Oct 19 2004 at 4:27 PM Rating: Decent
Uhmm, yeah make our voting open source.... BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! Yeah so that ay it will take YEARS to patch and fix. You have any idea how many hackers would trash our elections (and I havent even begun on the American ones)
#23 Oct 19 2004 at 4:32 PM Rating: Decent
Well we need some sort of confirmation that Diebold isn't rigging their voting machines to point to a bush win.
#24 Oct 19 2004 at 4:38 PM Rating: Decent
I saw it coming the second they tried to get a recount... Silly Dems, supprting Gore.. Oh, and speaking of Gore!
#25 Oct 19 2004 at 4:40 PM Rating: Decent
Am I the only one who noticed Gore looked coked up at his MoveOn speech?
#26 Oct 19 2004 at 4:40 PM Rating: Good
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Maybe I'll just curl up in the corner on Nov. 3rd:

Five ways the election could end up in court, again.


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