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#1 Oct 18 2004 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Ok, we are getting close enough to Election Day that polls start to reflect attitudes and trends which actually can predict which way the public will vote in 2 1/2 weeks.

Here is the latest (which, incidentally shows Bush pulling away again):

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6273430/

Enjoy, all you people who have made bets with me over the outcome of this election.

Totem
#2 Oct 18 2004 at 12:06 PM Rating: Good
Maybe you and varus can get together and keep this in one thread.
#3 Oct 18 2004 at 12:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Lubey, I never mentioned sex, although I am very satisfied with Mrs. Totem and her chicken suit. My ball gag just heightens the whole experience...

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#4 Oct 18 2004 at 12:12 PM Rating: Decent
It's always interesting to realize that you've been missing random stupidity by having your default filter turned on.

By the way- electoral-vote.com/.
#5 Oct 18 2004 at 12:14 PM Rating: Good
Yeah, well, Kerry is still leading in the electoral college.

Smiley: tongue
#6 Oct 18 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
Goddam Governator pulling voters away from Kerry in California. No f*cking way Bush wins this election.

::puts on tin foil hat::



Edited, Mon Oct 18 13:19:01 2004 by Gadin
#7 Oct 18 2004 at 12:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Wouldn't that be ironic? Bush wins the popular vote, but Kerry wins the electoral vote, thus leaving each camp to scratch their heads and wonder how they'll spin it since both sides were adamant about the legitimacy of their position last time.

Totem
#8 Oct 18 2004 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Bush wins the popular vote, but Kerry wins the electoral vote


Same thing happend with Gore I believe.

Gadin
#9 Oct 18 2004 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Did it? Really? I must have missed that somehow...

Totem
#10 Oct 18 2004 at 12:24 PM Rating: Decent
Actually it's flipside, Bush had the Electorial, but Gore had 500,000 more votes for him , which I believe would be the popular vote. Bush had Florida which was obviously key.

Gadin
#11 Oct 18 2004 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
PRESIDENT EV States Won Vote % Votes
BUSH 271 30 48% 50,456,169
GORE 266 21 48% 50,996,116


...from Yahoo.

Gadin
#12 Oct 18 2004 at 12:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Totem, brief question. And I don't ask this as a "gotcha", but out of sincere curiousity: If Bush loses this election in a manner like Gore lost in Florida, would you expect/demand/want the Bush campaign to demand recounts, hit the courts, etc?
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#13 Oct 18 2004 at 12:59 PM Rating: Decent
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No, Jophiel, I wouldn't. A graceful defeat is as important as graciously winning, something which I believe we lose sight of too quickly. If the laws call for a recount, then by all means, honor the law, but to prolong the electoral process by endless injunctions, law suits, and demands for recounts using various criteria as the standard for acceptable votes undermines the fabric of our system.

Why do I get the feeling that you are always somewhat surprised by my positions on your questions?

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#14 Oct 18 2004 at 1:00 PM Rating: Good
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Totem, brief question. And I don't ask this as a "gotcha", but out of sincere curiousity: If Bush loses this election in a manner like Gore lost in Florida, would you expect/demand/want the Bush campaign to demand recounts, hit the courts, etc?


Of course!

And definately more polls, because we all know how useful those are.

Smiley: rolleyes
#15 Oct 18 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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No, Jophiel, I wouldn't. A graceful defeat is as important as graciously winning, something which I believe we lose sight of too quickly. If the laws call for a recount, then by all means, honor the law, but to prolong the electoral process by endless injunctions, law suits, and demands for recounts using various criteria as the standard for acceptable votes undermines the fabric of our system.
Works for me. Honestly, I can see it from both angles. On one hand, I felt the lengthy battle last election only helped to divide the nation further and deepen the wounds that could have started healing on Nov 3 when one side said "Damn" and hopefully looked to the future.

On the other hand, not giving the opportunity to be sure the people are getting who the people voted for, even if only by a handful of votes, goes against the point of having democratic elections.

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Why do I get the feeling that you are always somewhat surprised by my positions on your questions?
Beats me. I honestly had no idea how'd you answer here. I knew and acknowledged that my question seemed to be loaded which wasn't the intent.
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#16 Oct 18 2004 at 1:08 PM Rating: Good
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No, Jophiel, I wouldn't. A graceful defeat is as important as graciously winning, something which I believe we lose sight of too quickly. If the laws call for a recount, then by all means, honor the law, but to prolong the electoral process by endless injunctions, law suits, and demands for recounts using various criteria as the standard for acceptable votes undermines the fabric of our system.

Why do I get the feeling that you are always somewhat surprised by my positions on your questions?


Translation: If I were Dubya, of course I wouldn't ask for recounts, I'd make my speaches (pre-written for me of course) and try to stall as my Administration gets the ball rolling on adding votes from all those late ballots, ballots that were filled out incorrectly, and maybe even a few fake ballots just for the heck of it. Hey, no Child left behind right? Even fake kids, I gotta add their vote too!
#17 Oct 18 2004 at 1:18 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey, no Child left behind right? Even fake kids, I gotta add their vote too!


You are leaving out all the small children that Mr Cheney has already eaten. Gotta count their votes!

Gadin

#18 Oct 18 2004 at 1:25 PM Rating: Default
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In fairness, Skeeter, the polling places that were left open well past closing time were in heavily Democratic party areas. The hanging chads issue points more to people's attention to detail, as does the whole confusing ballot card fiasco.

After all, how difficult is it to read and mark a ballot-- the same format used in countless elections before? To hear those whose pride was injured from the harrowing task of punching a hole next to the candidate of their choice, it was a herculean effort that required rocket science and an Einsteinian mind.

While I know that these confused and lost individuals are the voter base on which the Democratic party preys, doesn't it make you just a bit embarrassed that these same people you count on every four years would have trouble going the proper way down a one-way street? Yes, the feebleminded are more easily enslaved by handouts and entitlements, but all the subtle nuances that Smasharoo and the Dems are so fond of are absolutely wasted on the vast majority of your voter base. That must be incredibly frustrating.

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#19 Oct 18 2004 at 1:36 PM Rating: Excellent
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Say what now?

Sorry.. I was trying to figure out the pull tab on my soda can.
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#20 Oct 18 2004 at 1:41 PM Rating: Good
Pull??!!

#22 Oct 18 2004 at 1:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Gadin wrote:
Actually it's flipside, Bush had the Electorial, but Gore had 500,000 more votes for him , which I believe would be the popular vote. Bush had Florida which was obviously key.

Gadin



That was Totem's point.
#23 Oct 18 2004 at 9:24 PM Rating: Decent
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Heh, no encumbant has ever won with Bush's current approval rating.

Repugs don't like to admit this, but undecided voters almost always fall to the challenger and reelection bids are always a referendum on the encumbant and are almost always a landslide one way or the other.

Take a look at the regisrtation numbers, Dems are out registering Pubbies like mad. This will be a record turnout year, and high turnout is very good news for Kerry. Honest conservatives are abandoning ship in the same way Dems ran to Reagan in 1980.

Bush is toast, unless he cheats.
#24 Oct 18 2004 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't that be ironic? Bush wins the popular vote, but Kerry wins the electoral vote, thus leaving each camp to scratch their heads and wonder how they'll spin it since both sides were adamant about the legitimacy of their position last time.

Tot[b][/b]em


I could care less about the fact that Al Gore won the popular vote. It's the things that went on in Florida that ticked me off.
#25 Oct 18 2004 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
It would be hilarious to see Bush when the popular and lose the Electoral. Maybe it would push us into finally getting a new system other than the Electoral College.

As to who is leading in the polls, in all truth it doesn't matter a bit what matters is in the end who leads in the poll on November 2nd.

Either way what happens, happens.

I'm personally hoping that Kerry wins and in 4 years we can decide on someone better than Bush or Kerry. Also I think it would be best to have a president who is not of the same party as the ones controlling the House and/or Senate. Since when there is that division less money get spent and only the stuff that has truly bipartisan support goes anywhere.

Remember that even if Bush wins he only has 4 more years to ***** up the country, or if you support him, help the country. Either way almost everybody aggrees Cheney will not run for president so it will be an interesting slate come 2008.

My opinions and I will make a point to cast them come November 2nd.
#26 Oct 18 2004 at 11:52 PM Rating: Default
Edmonton just elected a new mayor! Its been a long 9 years.


^^ not that anyone here cares, i just like to spread the joyful tune.
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