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#1 Oct 15 2004 at 10:12 AM Rating: Default
Again explain to me exactly how Kerrys going to bring other countries into a fight he says is wrong to begin with?


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#2 Oct 15 2004 at 10:14 AM Rating: Decent
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By offering them a peice of the oil and the reconstruction contracts.

A moron could have figured that one out. Apparently, not a sub-moron though..
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#4 Oct 15 2004 at 10:16 AM Rating: Default
Smashed,

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By offering them a peice of the oil and the reconstruction contracts


Ah so Kerry is going to bribe countries that refuse to help us fight against terrorist that want to blow us up with oil, how noble.

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#6 Oct 15 2004 at 10:19 AM Rating: Decent
If Kerry does that wouldnt that qualify them as members of the "bribed and coerced" coalition???
#7 Oct 15 2004 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
Jesus Christ.

It WAS the wrong war at the wrong time at the wrong place. But since we already lost over 1,000 US servicemen and women, we have to stick it out. Kerry has a plan to bring more nations together so we can get out quicker with lesser casulties.

Unless you like Bush's current "Stay the course" routine which involves insurgents infiltrating the Green Zone blowing sh*t up.

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#8 Oct 15 2004 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
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It *was* the wrong war at the wrong time. But now that we're there, thanks to George Warmongerer Bush, we need to settle the place down and get the job done.

The "Coalition" forces are holed up alone in the center of Baghdad, under almost constant attack. They make forays out into the surrounding countryside to attack rebel and insurgent camps, while sh[b][/b]it gets blown up in and around their headquarters. I'm sorry but that's not exactly promising. There need to be more forces there, but not another 100,000 Americans. That would just reinforce the notion of occupation. A truly international coalition of peacekeepers would be better. I would imagine that if, say, French and German troops were patrolling the streets they wouldn't be under constant attack. They didn't want to invade Iraq in the first place, so they would be more agreeable to the general populace. We would still go after the insurgents, but a more neutral, moderate force would make the Iraqis more friendy.
It's like a game of punch-for-punch, the way the Israelis and Palestinians have been slapping at each other for years. The more they fight back, the longer we need to stay there gunning them down. If they would realize that and settle down, then we could pull the troops out, finish rebuilding and leave them to their own free will. Not entirely, of course; an overseeing body would still need to remain, but that's better than keeping half of central Baghdad a US military encampment.
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#9 Oct 15 2004 at 10:40 AM Rating: Default
Can YOU explain to me how you see the keyboard to type with only an *** at the top of your neck?

Seriously, I want to know.
#10 Oct 15 2004 at 11:39 AM Rating: Default
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Which as[b][/b]shead are you referring to PP?
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#11 Oct 15 2004 at 11:56 AM Rating: Decent
You guys are so demented it's sureal. In one breath you say it's a wrong war but in the other instance you say we have to stick it out. In one instance you say that we need more allies but those allies you list, Germany and France, have corrupt ties to the oil for food program where Iraq encouraged France to veto any action against them regardless of whether it was justified or not. This is exactly why Kerry doesn't stand a chance because it's obvious liberals care more for their pursuit of power than the welfare of the country. They, like Kerry, look at terrorism as nothing more than a nuisance, an obstacle if you will, they have to address in order to gain control. Bush is actually doing what he believes is God's will for him. He stands on principle whether you like those principles or not. I can't wait until Nov so the people can show just how enlightened they are thanks to alternate media sources.

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#12 Oct 15 2004 at 12:07 PM Rating: Default
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Varus, the problem is that, even though it *is* the wrong war, Bush got us stuck in there anyways. So since we're there we have to do something productive and positive. We can't just up and leave now; the resulting power vaccuum would be devastating to the rest of the area, if not the world - a problem that would not have existed if we hadn't invaded in the first place. Saddam may have been a tyrannical despot, but the country was not a haven of insurgents and terrorism until after we took him down in such a fashion. It's a matter of an enemy we knew and could contain to some degree (Saddam) as opposed to numerous faceless enemies that we still can't stop the flood of.

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Bush is actually doing what he believes is God's will for him.

And the terrorists are doing what they believe is God's will of them. The last thing we need is to turn this into a holy war on both sides.
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#13 Oct 15 2004 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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In one breath you say it's a wrong war but in the other instance you say we have to stick it out.


Please tell me you understand what this means. It would be more costly to pull out now, rather than sticking it out and making sure this country doesn't fall into civil war.

Can we agree on that?

We have troops patrolling streets where a car rolls up, detonates, and we have a shiny new link on Yahoo saying 4 more American troops have died.

Can we agree on that?

Bush still does not have a viable exit strategy, because there is simply not enough able-bodied Iraqi soliders to keep order if we do pull out under Bush's command. He says he'll have 125,000 Iraqi's trained by the end of the year. And how big is Iraq? We need more help from the outside.

Can we agree on that?

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#14 Oct 15 2004 at 12:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Considering that Iraqi police and army recruitment centers have been prime targets for bombing, I don't believe they'll have a suitable force to protect themselves any time soon...
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#15 Oct 15 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Decent
makes me laugh that america's answer to everything is give people AKs.

hmm, soviets moved out of afganistan eh? lets take these taliban guys and give them AKs

saddam's gone and they don't have an army, hmm, lets take policemen and give them AKs
#16 Oct 15 2004 at 12:18 PM Rating: Default
Debo,

In case you havn't realized this is a holy war to the islamists.

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Saddam may have been a tyrannical despot, but the country was not a haven of insurgents and terrorism until after we took him down in such a fashion. It's a matter of an enemy we knew and could contain to some degree (Saddam) as opposed to numerous faceless enemies that we still can't stop the flood of.


So creating a vacuum that draws all the terrorists into one spot is a bad military strategy? lol

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#17 Oct 15 2004 at 12:28 PM Rating: Default
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Only if we go back and nuke them all once they've gathered!
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#18 Oct 15 2004 at 12:31 PM Rating: Default
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Which as[b][/b]shead are you referring to PP?


Need you ask?

It's starts with V and ends with an ***.
#19 Oct 15 2004 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
Gadin,

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Please tell me you understand what this means. It would be more costly to pull out now, rather than sticking it out and making sure this country doesn't fall into civil war.


Was the US civil war a good thing?


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Bush still does not have a viable exit strategy, because there is simply not enough able-bodied Iraqi soliders to keep order if we do pull out under Bush's command. He says he'll have 125,000 Iraqi's trained by the end of the year. And how big is Iraq? We need more help from the outside.


Don't you think it's more prudent that we discuss exit strateges for Japan and Germany, I mean ww2 ended how long ago, before we get ahead of ourselves in talking about leaving Iraq?


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#20 Oct 15 2004 at 12:35 PM Rating: Decent
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So creating a vacuum that draws all the terrorists into one spot is a bad military strategy?


lol, yes
#21 Oct 15 2004 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
Drac,

It's only a bad strategy if you don't have the firepower to blow them all up, fortunately I live the U.S.A and we can blow bad guys up fairly easily, just look at Faluja.

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#22 Oct 15 2004 at 12:41 PM Rating: Decent
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It's only a bad strategy if you don't have the firepower to blow them all up, fortunately I live the U.S.A and we can blow bad guys up fairly easily, just look at Faluja.


yeah, faluja where the whole town is run by "terrorists" and countless GIs die every month there, but your news-blacked-out dumbass electorate wouldn't have any idea about that apart from what your'e nationalist ten gallon hat wearing government tells you
#23 Oct 15 2004 at 1:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Was the US civil war a good thing?
Of course not. It was long, bloody a waste of life and cost a fortune in war materials, ruined crops and Reconstruction. Certainly keeping the southern states as part of the Union was good, but it'd have been much, much better if the southern states never succeeded and the Union never had to go to war.

Before you mention it, the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery and the Abolitionist movement was strong enough that slavery wasn't long for the United States regardless.

Edited, Fri Oct 15 14:20:43 2004 by Jophiel
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#24 Oct 15 2004 at 1:13 PM Rating: Default
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Hell we shouldn't have even fought the Civil War. Fu[b][/b]ck them redneck bastards; most of them don't acknowledge the outcome anyways.
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#25 Oct 15 2004 at 1:19 PM Rating: Excellent
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Of course, the Civil War and Reconstruction were the catalyst for the formation of the Ku Klux Klan.

So I guess Varrus would say the Civil War was a good thing.
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#26 Oct 15 2004 at 1:21 PM Rating: Good
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virus wrote:
Don't you think it's more prudent that we discuss exit strateges for Japan and Germany, I mean ww2 ended how long ago, before we get ahead of ourselves in talking about leaving Iraq?
Hmm. Remind me about all the allied troops who died during the post-'45 occupations of Germany and Japan will you?

Do you wonder why the allies faced little or no resistance after the surrenders?

Because Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin and the other allied states had swallowed a little pride and done deals with each other before the end of the war. They left the dominated countries without any allies in the world.

A bit like Bush Sr did in '91. Remember?

Goodness gracious me, sir, I am almost inclined to become a tad angry and use impolite language towards you!
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