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#152 Oct 13 2004 at 11:09 PM Rating: Decent
Well Unlike big corporations when the government controls my health care they aren't going to ***** me with thier price gouging.
#153 Oct 13 2004 at 11:12 PM Rating: Good
Totem wrote:
But measured against the expected Bush poor showing and Kerry supremacy, it by some perverse logic becomes a win when Bush does considerably better and Kerry deflates in the final round. I grant you this line of reasoning can clearly be seen as spinning, but when you think about how the vast majority of Americans look at the candidate's attitude, demeanor, and his carriage of the debate as a whole (for example, the perception that Bush was very defensive and nervous in the first debate) and not content, then running out of steam in the third of three debates appears to be weakness.


You're talking about the debate handycap. Really, Kerry and Bush are playing against their handycap, and not really versus each other. Just like Golf.

Bush is playing against a handycap of "Idiot".

Kerry is playing against a handycap of "President of the United States."

Edited, Thu Oct 14 00:14:29 2004 by Reinman
#154 Oct 13 2004 at 11:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone see where Bush talked about "unbundling Gov't contracts, so small businesses could bid on them?"

Anyone else think immediately of Halliburton's no-bid contract immediately?
#155 Oct 13 2004 at 11:15 PM Rating: Good
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Anyone else think immediately of Halliburton's no-bid contract immediately?


Why do you hate Freedom? Back-handers and "conflicts of interest" are as American as apple pie.

Edited, Thu Oct 14 00:16:35 2004 by Reinman
#156 Oct 13 2004 at 11:44 PM Rating: Default
I missed the debate but i taped it and am curreantly watching it. I wish bush would wipe that fu[b][/b]cking dumbass smile off his big dumbass face.
#157 Oct 13 2004 at 11:49 PM Rating: Decent
Lubriderm the Tulip wrote:
Warlord Lefein wrote:
In the business world, your first three years are critical. Many if not most businesses operate at a loss in their first two years. Yeah, a dollar or two doesnt sound like much to you or me, but we dont run businesses. It's not easy.

If you are paying your employees minimum wage in the first place then you should go to hell.


Yes, as we all know burger flippers are entitled to earn internet techs wages.
#158 Oct 14 2004 at 3:35 AM Rating: Good
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Warlord Lefein wrote:
Lubriderm the Tulip wrote:
Warlord Lefein wrote:
In the business world, your first three years are critical. Many if not most businesses operate at a loss in their first two years. Yeah, a dollar or two doesnt sound like much to you or me, but we dont run businesses. It's not easy.

If you are paying your employees minimum wage in the first place then you should go to hell.


Yes, as we all know burger flippers are entitled to earn internet techs wages.


C'mon, it's hard enough for them to get by on minimum wage, you don't them to go bankrupt on tech wages (still $0 per hour for a great many since the bust).

But seriously, either-or thinking is lazy, and makes you sound silly when you use it. Not-minimum-wage does not equal wealth.
#159 Oct 14 2004 at 5:24 AM Rating: Decent
trickybeck the Sly wrote:

What's that on the corner of Bush's mouth?


He's quite obviously coked up. He's cameling and so is that chick that is spinning for him after the debates.

That little white cottony spit on the corner of his mouth is ******* coke use.

Trust me.

#160 Oct 14 2004 at 5:27 AM Rating: Decent
Jophiel wrote:
On the face, Bush's border plan with the cards sounds decent.

Strange voodoo from President-man!


Yeah, the "unmanned vehicles"? ************** robots of doom?

That's just fu[u][/u]cking stupid.
#161 Oct 14 2004 at 5:28 AM Rating: Decent
TStephens wrote:
'The borders are much better protected than when I was Gov. of Texas.'

Ow, that didn't sound too good.


Yeah, I guess it got worse since he been President, oops!
#162 Oct 14 2004 at 5:34 AM Rating: Decent
Warlord Lefein wrote:
I give that one to Bush, he took the "Teach a man how to fish" stance on racism. I give him that one, because the black community has voted demo for over thirty years. Bush is trying a different approach, thats cool.


Translation:

I'm a racist.

Notice how he turned an affirmative action question into an economic argument.

Fuc[/u]king classist....and fu[u]cking racist.
#163 Oct 14 2004 at 5:41 AM Rating: Decent
gbaji wrote:
Pikko Pots wrote:
Quote:
KERRY: He said, "I don't know. I don't really think about him very much. I'm not that concerned."

BUSH: Gosh, I just don't think I ever said I'm not worried about Osama bin Laden. It's kind of one of those exaggerations.

Of course we're worried about Osama bin Laden. We're on the hunt after Osama bin Laden. We're using every asset at our disposal to get Osama bin Laden.


Transcript from CNN.com

Quote:
So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you. I'm more worried about making sure that our soldiers are well-supplied; that the strategy is clear; that the coalition is strong; that when we find enemy bunched up like we did in Shahikot Mountains, that the military has all the support it needs to go in and do the job, which they did.

....

And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.


From whitehouse.gov


Just a point. I don't see that as inconsistent. He doesn't say he's not concerned about Bin Laden, or that Bin Laden isn't a concern, or that he's not worried about Bin Laden. He said "I truly am not that concerned about him", in the context of whether he was more concerned about things like "making sure that our soldiers are well supplied, ... strategy is clear, ... coalition is strong ..." etc.

His position has been very clear and very consistent. Bin Laden is *one* part of the war on terror, but his policy is not to ignore the rest of the problems while chasing through the mountains after one guy like a bad rerun of the Keystone Cops. He's not going to ignore other threats just to "get Bin Laden".

It's the Dems position that we should have ignored Iraq and focused just on Bin Laden, not the Reps. There's nothing inconsistent about Bush making that statement. In fact, he's exactly right. Implying that he claimed that Bin Laden is not a concern *is* an exageration of what he actually said.


There is some inconsistency with Kerry saying what he's saying though...

Edited, Wed Oct 13 22:27:56 2004 by gbaji


Gbaji,

What the fu[/u]ck?

I just saw the fact check portion of the after debate show and they showed what Bush said...

THat little elipsis that you have in your quote was the part where HE ACTUALLY SAYS that he isn't concerned with Osama Bin Laden.

This partisan sh[u]
it is getting ridiculous....he LIED right there period.

You are lying, Gbaji....big time...I believe that your pants are on fire, sir.

#164 Oct 14 2004 at 5:43 AM Rating: Decent
Totem wrote:
Kerry says "idear?!?" What kind of funky mispronunciation is that?? Please don't tell me he says Warshingtun too...

Totem


I guess when Bush does it it's folksy..member "Internets"..you fu[u][/u]cking hypocrite.
#165 Oct 14 2004 at 5:48 AM Rating: Decent
Totem wrote:
With that "idear" garble-ism he sounds like he's trying to get the Texas vote by out-Southern drawling Bush. As a Mass resident he's not supposed to even know how to pronounce his "R"'s-- kinda like inverse Japanese. Blatent pandering to Southerners...

Totem


Yeah, and this FU[/u]CKING favorite son is any better. I'm Southern, Totem.

WE DON't SAY IDEAR, idiot.

Bush's whole career has been pandering to Southerners...which he is FU[u]
CKING not.

Idear is a damn yankee saying you, wanna-bee. I thought you lived in Alabama once.....ask your relatives, *****.
#166 Oct 14 2004 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
Gurue
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Yep, in the south, when we butcher the word "idea", we use "ideal"

Smiley: banghead
#167 Oct 14 2004 at 6:00 AM Rating: Decent
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Yep, in the south, when we butcher the word "idea", we use "ideal"

Smiley: banghead



Ain't it "Eye-Dee"?
#168 Oct 14 2004 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
Gurue
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Yeah, that too. But one of the women that I work with (who speaks FLUENT mountain hick) says Ideal every single time. Makes me want to strangle her.
#169 Oct 14 2004 at 6:12 AM Rating: Decent
Mistress Nadenu wrote:
Yeah, that too. But one of the women that I work with (who speaks FLUENT mountain hick) says Ideal every single time. Makes me want to strangle her.


Of course, Nig[u][/u]ger Tote 'Em should be able to gather this, right?


#170 Oct 14 2004 at 6:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Why say it with one post when you can say it with seven!
#171 Oct 14 2004 at 8:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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A quick debate poll roundup from Electoral-Vote.com:

After the debate, a Gallup poll showed Kerry to be the winner 52% to 39%, not far from expectations. A CBS poll of uncommitted voters after the debate showed that 39% thought Kerry had won and 25% thought Bush had won. An ABC News poll showed Kerry barely won, 42% to 41%. However, the ABC poll had 38% Republicans and 30% Democrats, so breaking even in a group skewed towards the GOP has to be considered a Kerry win. ARG didn't run a large-scale poll this time. Still, the clear conclusions: Kerry won the first and third debates; the second one was a tie. Cheney did better than his boss and won the VP debate.
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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#172 Oct 14 2004 at 8:59 AM Rating: Default
Pieman,

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Well Unlike big corporations when the government controls my health care they aren't going to ***** me with thier price gouging.


You are a complete and utter moron. You shouldn't be allowed to come back here and discuss anyting involved with the economy until you've read Wealth of Nations or taken economics class. Let me explain this as simply as possible when you have big corporations fighting over customer base that drives prices down. For example lets look at insurance; you have your allstates and state farms fighting over who can get the most customers to buy their service. In order to appeal to the consumer price is an important issue, therefore greater competition leads to lower prices. Now if government were to be in control of the insurance industry and set the price while initially low in cost have you ever known a government agency that actually decreased it's budget? The point is competition is good and the more companies that are fighting over who gets to sell me the most drugs the price of those drugs will decrease. Conversely when there's no competition the price of something tends to increase.

whew...I didn't even get paid for that


Varus

Edited, Thu Oct 14 10:00:39 2004 by varrussword
#173 Oct 14 2004 at 9:34 AM Rating: Decent
Sub-default seems to be a good friend of yours Virus.

Gadin
#174 Oct 14 2004 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
Liberal Conspiracy
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Huh? Did Varrus post?

Default filter for teh win!!!
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Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
#175 Oct 14 2004 at 10:08 AM Rating: Good
Here ya go, Joph. Wouldn't want you to miss a post from Varus.

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Pieman,



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Well Unlike big corporations when the government controls my health care they aren't going to ***** me with thier price gouging.
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You are a complete and utter moron. You shouldn't be allowed to come back here and discuss anyting involved with the economy until you've read Wealth of Nations or taken economics class. Let me explain this as simply as possible when you have big corporations fighting over customer base that drives prices down. For example lets look at insurance; you have your allstates and state farms fighting over who can get the most customers to buy their service. In order to appeal to the consumer price is an important issue, therefore greater competition leads to lower prices. Now if government were to be in control of the insurance industry and set the price while initially low in cost have you ever known a government agency that actually decreased it's budget? The point is competition is good and the more companies that are fighting over who gets to sell me the most drugs the price of those drugs will decrease. Conversely when there's no competition the price of something tends to increase.

whew...I didn't even get paid for that


Varus
#176 Oct 14 2004 at 11:37 AM Rating: Decent
ANYONE who watched that debate last night and doesn't think Kerry just blew GWB away is a liar or a dumbass.

I'm sorry, folks.

GWB is fu[/u]cking idiot.

He rambled and stumbled the WHOLE way through the debates.

He HAD NO SPECIFICS at all.

He wasn't even making sense half the time. I'd like to try to decipher a transcript of the debate.

I don't get it...were we all watching the same debate?

Maybe my level of acceptable communication is HIGHER than yours?

Undoubtedly, Bush did the worse in this debate than the 2 previous ones.

And the ******* talking heads sit there ignoring WHAT A FU[u]
CKING IDIOT he sounded like.

This isn't funny anymore.


Edited, Thu Oct 14 13:59:01 2004 by pickleprince
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