Gay genesFollow

See the quote above - you have no idea what you are talking about. By strand I assume you mean gene. Most likely there are a few genes (not one) that influence sexual preference, but this isn't fully known yet. What is known is that sexuality is effected by genetics. These genes would also effect the hormones which someone just referenced. That is the point - just like nearly everything else in this world, it isn't a black and white issue just because you'd like it to be. Stop thinking like Bush.

I think personal choice holds power over genetic disposition as well. All you have to do is study Shaolin Monks to realize that humans can overcome even their own nature for a cause or a reason. Just as we are equally capable of suffering and inequity in the name of laziness or desire. I know thats a very broad statement but I just refuse to look at normal healthy people (unless they have an outright genetic defect you can see and experience such as autism or the like) and say they have no choice.

Can everyone on both sides here agree that Lefein is a bit too involved in this subject?

Why does it bother you so much, Lefein?

I agree that choice is available, although being a shaolin monk is much more difficult than you seem to imply. The point being that it isn't an easy thing to do, i.e., it doesn't come naturally. - even monks admit this.

The other thing you may not have thought about is that homosexuality runs in families (because genes run in families). Another part of the spectrum that I chose not to mention earlier is asexuality. There was an article about this yesterday on cnn.com. Approximately 1% of the population is asexual (meaning they have little to no interest in sex with either a man or a woman.) Closed environments (or bottlenecks as biologists often refer to them), become inbred to an extent, and increasingly share more of each others genes. We don't have the evidence as to the prevelence of the asexual gene in shaolin monk societies, the presence of which would make it easier for them to make the choice of giving up sex.

While personally I don't think asexuality is much of a factor here, it is something to consider. I think the most important thing, once again, is that abstaining from sex (like many monks do) is akin to how it is difficult and unnatural for a homosexual to have a heterosexual romantic relationship. Can they choose to? Sure. But if it is difficult that indicates that it runs against that person's genes/nature.

[quoteThe 1st rule of Nobby]Do what you want to do.

Let me do what I want to do.

If I don't want to do it to you, it's no-one's business but mine.[/quote]

I am Nobby and I endorse this holier-thanthou sh[i][/i]it

Nope, not at all. What about the ability to disdain worldly posessions. If you give a monk a watch he'll accept it and sell it for the temple or give it to a poor kid.

I must have missed the link to evidence that wife/child beating is a genetic predisposition.

If this is the case, are your kids predestined to have tattoos of their imaginary computer-game characters across their fuzzy-felt six-packs?

Just wondered

Bad comparison.

read Mindspirals past 3 or 4 posts. and turn your sarcasm detector gain level up.



it was a tattoo before it was an EQ character name. i know it's hard to believe when confronted with an easy target such as that you've already spoken of, but its the truth.

ah, the ultimate catch-22 that science uses as logic. one can almost understand how the world would become such a fu[/b]
cked up place.

what you are failing to realize in your banter is the same "logic" you are using to fault my ideas is the same "logic" that inherantly faults your ideas. the only problem here is that [b]you're refusing to accept the idea that anything BUT what you have to say is lacking the "evidence" your previous post completely justifies as being equally as valid as your, or anyone elses, theory.

i suppose next you're gonna tell me that you need to have a degree in science, 15+ years experience, blonde hair and a middle name that starts with E. before its actually a "theory".

and people like to use the idea that they have limited or NO choice to justify actions that induce guilt or are otherwise unacceptable in more different ways than can be listed here.

Holy cow, I didnt really choose to like driving either! I bet my great great great great grandfather loved Nascar!