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#127 Oct 13 2004 at 11:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Death penalty should be efficiently case-restrictive (not left to the judge to decide), and only applied when the evidence shows 100% clear that the offender is guilty.

As for the penalty on -16, that's just @#%^ing sick. The maturity of a 16 person is not the same as a 21 year old. Most people are on the peak of puberty, they are still children. Setting the penalty for that age is just plain stupid.


Sure now we say no death for anyone under 16 but soon that becomes 14 then 12 then 9 then 6.
#128 Oct 13 2004 at 11:39 PM Rating: Good
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Slippery slope much, Pieman?

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#129 Oct 14 2004 at 12:04 AM Rating: Default
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Slippery slope much, Pieman?

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I always like to refer to the ****** rope theory. Its a long rope covered with ****, that harder you try to squeez and bare your wounds, the faster you fall.

I think i heard that on some dumbass redneck canadian TV show.


Edited, Thu Oct 14 01:05:58 2004 by SmashingJroc
#130 Oct 14 2004 at 5:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Amazing, the reason lowering the death penalty age is bad is the EXACT same reason gay marriage is bad!
#131 Oct 14 2004 at 7:34 AM Rating: Good
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Amazing, the reason lowering the death penalty age is bad is the EXACT same reason gay marriage is bad!


I thought the reason gay marraige was bad is because people will start marrying their sister's goat or something.
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#132 Oct 14 2004 at 9:13 AM Rating: Decent
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I thought the reason gay marraige was bad is because people will start marrying their sister's goat or something.


Exactly.

Slippery Slope!
#133 Oct 15 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Decent
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ok.... this discussion bounced from left to right, even bringing abortion and religion in wtf has that to do with the morality of the death penalty?

Why not, social pov:
Makes organised crime "all or nothing", if you killed someone youre dead anyway so what it doesnt mean a difference if you kill 1 person or 500. That's why so many cops get shot in your country.

form 1973 to now 116 innocents on death row were exonerated leaves you guessing how many were killed in that period that never got exonertaed cause they were dead anyway. And if youre opinion is that the frying an innocent on occasion isnt bad you must get your head examined.

already said in this thead, It's more expensive.

why not, moral pov:

You kill people to show your society that killing people is wrong, that's just medieval, just chop hands off people that steal too!

It's the easy way out,ask the avarage prisoner on death row what's worse, sitting for deathrow for 10 years or sitting in prison till the day you die, most will choose the first option. So if you want revenge, life is better.

Death penalty discriminates,
there is a overwhelming body of evidence that race plays a decisive role in the question of who lives and dies by execution.
see: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=45&did=539


K those poeple who are pro name thier reasons please, because i cannot think of one.

The 16 year yes/no discussion is not really a discussion cause if you vote yes and you are consequent than everybody who commits a death penalty crime should get the death penalty, including 1 year olds, retards(down syndrom), the insane. Ow wait you give em deathpenaltys too! Well the states that do should make thier own laws as they are intiteld to but just dont call em civilised.


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and what happened to google? The site ( http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/ ) has good ubiased info based on numbers, cases and official reports.
That site renders discussion useless.

and im not a native english speaker so give my spelling some slack.

Edited, Fri Oct 15 11:13:10 2004 by Sjans
#134 Oct 15 2004 at 10:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Amazing, the reason lowering the death penalty age is bad is the EXACT same reason gay marriage is bad!


Its also the same reason you shouldn't give up any minor liberties in exchange for freedom.

#135 Oct 15 2004 at 10:59 PM Rating: Decent
At the ages in question, you better have enough reason to know right from wrong and if not that, at least understand the concept of law and consequence. I am completely for the death penalty for these ages.

You have to remember a couple thing: the death sentence is not handed out like candy. The death penalty is reserved for the worst and most dangerous of the murderers. The unremorseful, the repeat offenders. For the most part you at least have to have planned the murder.

You will never see a teenager, or anyone, put to death for a murder you could define as a "crime of passion" or a spontaneous crime.
#136 Oct 16 2004 at 9:39 AM Rating: Decent
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[quote]You have to remember a couple thing: the death sentence is not handed out like candy. The death penalty is reserved for the worst and most dangerous of the murderers. The unremorseful, the repeat offenders. For the most part you at least have to have planned the murder.
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Not in Texas

I don't think he's been executed yet, but it's Texas, he's black, he was convicted of killing the father of a federal judge and the jury was all white - so you know he doesn't stand a chance. He also had no prior criminal record or history of violent behavior.


Napoleon Beazley was sentenced to death in 1995 for the carjacking
murder in Tyler, east Texas, of John Luttig, the father of a federal
appellate judge. The prosecution relied on evidence provided by two
co-defendants to convince the jury that Beazley, who had no prior
criminal record or history of violent behavior, would represent a
future threat to society if allowed to live. In subsequent affidavits,
those same co-defendants have stated that they gave false or misleading
testimony in order to themselves avoid the death penalty
. The existence
of such a deal was denied at Napoleon Beazley's trial.




#137 Oct 16 2004 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
Its an unfortunate situation to say the least, but the jury was presented with enough evidence to come to the conclusion that he will be continually dangerous to society. You can't hold the court system accountable for some lying sacks of $hit who are guilty of lying under oath. As long as we wish to keep the freedoms we are given, we have to accept that people will exploit those freedoms for personal gain.
#138 Oct 16 2004 at 6:34 PM Rating: Good
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Its an unfortunate situation to say the least, but the jury was presented with enough evidence to come to the conclusion that he will be continually dangerous to society. You can't hold the court system accountable for some lying sacks of $hit who are guilty of lying under oath. As long as we wish to keep the freedoms we are given, we have to accept that people will exploit those freedoms for personal gain.


The jury was presented with false testimony, so the conclusion they came to is wrong based upon the real testimony.

Secondly, the freedom we have been given also includes not being killed by our own government because of lying.

This just seems another case of the prosecution deciding they know best for everyone, and ***** the truth.
#139 Oct 16 2004 at 11:39 PM Rating: Decent
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You can't hold the court system accountable for some lying sacks of $hit who are guilty of lying under oath.



Of course we can hold the court system accountable, they're the ones that offered the lying sacks of **** the incentive to lie (ie: a sentence other than the death penalty). Who else are we supposed to hold accountable? The Liars? Jeez, what would you do if you were offered the choice between lying under oath or going to the chair?



Edited, Sun Oct 17 01:54:57 2004 by Deathwysh
#140 Oct 17 2004 at 6:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I dont believe in the death penalty...In Texas, we hand it out like its candy.

I'm just of the opinion that I would rather see the person suffer in prison for the rest of their life (not one of those with TV's and etc.)

I'm also of the opinion that when you kill a killer, you become a killer yourself.

Just my 2 cents.
#141 Oct 17 2004 at 6:09 PM Rating: Good
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I dont believe in the death penalty...In Texas, we hand it out like its candy.

I'm just of the opinion that I would rather see the person suffer in prison for the rest of their life (not one of those with TV's and etc.)

I'm also of the opinion that when you kill a killer, you become a killer yourself.

Just my 2 cents.


You sure you don't mean Pesos?

How about if we have convicted killers pull the switch? Would that make you feel better?

#142 Oct 17 2004 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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You sure you don't mean Pesos?


no.

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How about if we have convicted killers pull the switch? Would that make you feel better?


no.
#143 Oct 17 2004 at 10:26 PM Rating: Decent
So... You're not sure whether or not you actually meant Pesos?

Interesting.
#144 Oct 17 2004 at 10:47 PM Rating: Good
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So... You're not sure whether or not you actually meant Pesos?


No I dont mean pesos.
#145 Oct 17 2004 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
First you say cents, then you say you're not sure if it's pesos, then you say you're sure it's not pesos..

Flip-flop-flip-flop..

Sheesh.

Smiley: disappointed
#146 Oct 17 2004 at 10:55 PM Rating: Good
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