Woulda, coulda, shoulda, Nobby. Blix wasn't being given access to the sites or was being delayed in such a manner which gave the distinct impression documents and materials were being either removed or destroyed. So his report would have been, at best, suspect had he come back with a "Iraq is clean" report. Don't any of you remember the standoffs that were happening on a daily basis at inspection sites? Or the substantial reports that there was a French Iraqi sympathizer in the UN warning the Iraqis of where the next inspections were to take place? Or has all that been flushed to make room for the fact that no WMDs have been found?
Based on what they thought they knew, on the intelligence they had-- regardless how erronous it was --both Bush and Blair thought Iraq had WMDs and CBRs. They didn't lie, they went with the best intel they had.
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So his report would have been, at best, suspect had he come back with a "Iraq is clean" report. Don't any of you remember the standoffs that were happening on a daily basis at inspection sites? Or the substantial reports that there was a French Iraqi sympathizer in the UN warning the Iraqis of where the next inspections were to take place?
During the Spring/Summer of 2002 that was the case, but did you even read Blix's report appended to 1441?
The intelligence [i]presented to Bush/bLiar was full of caveats, 'possibles' and cautions. We never saw the intelligence; we just heard their 'spun' versions that turned possibilities into absolutes.
They lied. We fell for it. Some of us realised we were shafted. Others keep touching their toes.
You may want to straighten that back for a minute Totem.
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I say after the election is held, we need to sign a peace treaty with their president.
Then when their citizens attack US troops it'd be a breach of our treaty, resulting the 'go ahead' to lay the smack down with hopefully the right amount of troops to get the job done. I figure if we're gonna be occupying them anyway, might as well do it by the books.
Then when their citizens attack US troops it'd be a breach of our treaty, resulting the 'go ahead' to lay the smack down with hopefully the right amount of troops to get the job done. I figure if we're gonna be occupying them anyway, might as well do it by the books.
Yes, Nobby, I read Blix's report back then. My statement remains the same. As for intelligence, hedging phrases and variables concerning the likelihood of something contained in a report are the nature of the business. Even the most definitive of intelligence reports allows for wiggle room due to the inherent predicting of an unknown built into such an endeavor.
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might as well do it by the books.
It's not about playing by the rules. It's not even about being right.
It's about having support from enough countries to marginalise and remove any support or apologists for the murdering bastards.
The UN is a pain in the ***, but when a security council is unanymous, the wavering nations in the middle-east are handcuffed and stop supporting the terrorists. Hell, the terrorists operating in Baghdad are mostly from Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.
That's why Dubya's daddy is respected as a statesman and Bush 43 is an international laughing-stock.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
You rarely are going to hear the full intelligence reports in any case or situation. At best, you will get small scoured portions of it which have been washed of most, if not all of the methods by which they received this information. The intel that Powell gave to the UN was highly unusual in that specific data was distributed openly that gave away how we obtained the info, the specificity of such gathering methods, and the detail of what such intel consists of, thus allowing for foreign countries to know what we are capable of.
This alone tells you how serious the Bush and Blair administrations took the threat of Iraq and that it wasn't done on a whim to even some score or grudge held back from '91.
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This alone tells you how serious the Bush and Blair administrations took the threat of Iraq and that it wasn't done on a whim to even some score or grudge held back from '91.
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Even the most definitive of intelligence reports allows for wiggle room due to the inherent predicting of an unknown built into such an endeavor.
I know exactly how intelligence reports are compiled, reviewed and presented. I've written enough. I also know how much politicians 'reinterpret' them for political advantage, but until 2002 the political spin was subtle and slight.
Dammit, there were pronouncements made by President and Prime Minister based on 'single source'. I know of no instance, ever, where a significant political decision has been made on ss; there's always been an unspoken recognition that without substantiation, intelligence is provisional. Vietnam, Kosovo, Falklands, no reports were even accepted by JIC without secondary confirmation.
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Hey Tote.. Any Pun intended in your thread title?
Uninspectors??
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Uninspectors??
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Good eye, Skeet, I hadn't noticed.
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