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#1 Oct 05 2004 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/10/04/womens.college.ap/index.html

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About 170 students protested for a second day after Saturday's decision to admit men to the 400-student school beginning next year.

Students in this Finger Lakes village will continue to protest until the board reverses its decision, said sophomore Rachel Crosbie. Opponents say they want to preserve the college's 136-year tradition as a school for women, and worry men may dominate the classroom if they are admitted.


This seems weird to me.

What do you guys think?
#2 Oct 05 2004 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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What part seems weird? The protest, the fact that they are letting men in, or that the protesters worry men may dominate the classroom.

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#3 Oct 05 2004 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
#3 and sorta #1.

Sorry so vague...
#4 Oct 05 2004 at 6:27 PM Rating: Default
Hell I'd go. Gotta ask the lady of the house first though. I think it seems only right to have co-ed if needed. All the females there wanna battle about it just for historical reasons, but deep inside when they go out and party and theres not a sausage around to satisfy the heterosexual needs of a lady. Then they'll change their minds.
#5 Oct 05 2004 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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Don't see why it's weird. Presumably, the women currently attending that school specifically sought out that school because it's all women instead of co-ed. You can argue the pros and cons of co-ed education all day long, but at the end of the day, it's about choices. Those women made a choice, and now that choice has been changed for them. Kinda like going to the icecream parlor and selecting chocolate icecream, but you get vanilla instead. Now, you may like vanilla just fine, but you chose chocolate, so you'll be upset about it.
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#6 Oct 05 2004 at 6:35 PM Rating: Good
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I find it kind of ironic that they are protesting. If men were to protest women being admitted to an all men's school, well, I'm sure you can see the possibilities there. I'm not too suprised about them saying that the men may dominate the classroom. I seem to remember reading something about a study conducted on girls in high school and junior high. Basically, they said that many girls suffered when in a co-ed situation because they were often too timid or shy to participate. Whereas in a single-sex setting they were more vocal and outspoken and less concerned whether little Jonny wanted to get to third base with Susie, or Susie's best friend.

I would think that by the time college came around, that would be less of a factor though.
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#8 Oct 05 2004 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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I dunno. I don't mind private colleges allowing only women. One of my good friends went to Wabash College in Indiana, and all-male school.

Although it does seem archaic and unnecessary to me. The idea of separation of sexes holds a bit of merit in high schools, but people should grow out of it by college. And students who attend single sex schools thinking they're more serious about their education may actually be shooting themselves in the foot by limiting their experience.

But to each his own.


#9 Oct 05 2004 at 8:28 PM Rating: Decent
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If I were going to that school, I would probably protest the admission of men as well.

It reminds me of my final women's studies class I took in college. It was the first time that a guy wasn't in the class and it was probably one of the best classes I've ever taken. As women, we felt freer to voice our opinions without fear that the only guy might get offended or grossed out.

I mean, it's nice to go to a class and just concentrate on academics instead of getting distracted by checking out guys.
#10 Oct 06 2004 at 11:53 AM Rating: Decent
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If I were going to that school, I would probably protest the admission of men as well.

It reminds me of my final women's studies class I took in college. It was the first time that a guy wasn't in the class and it was probably one of the best classes I've ever taken. As women, we felt freer to voice our opinions without fear that the only guy might get offended or grossed out.

I mean, it's nice to go to a class and just concentrate on academics instead of getting distracted by checking out guys.


No offense, Kund...but I think that's kind of sad.

Seems like the root of the problem is the female psyche not the presence of males.

Again, no offense, ladies....but if you act like this how will you ever achieve any kind of respect.
#11 Oct 06 2004 at 11:56 AM Rating: Good
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Again, no offense, ladies....but if you act like this how will you ever achieve any kind of respect.


Well that and if your diploma says Finger Lakes all girls school on it /snicker
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#12 Oct 06 2004 at 12:13 PM Rating: Good
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Like gbaji said, it's about choice. For whatever reasons, these women chose to go to an all girl school. If I were one of them, I'd be mad, too. There are tons of co-ed schools out there, why change this one?
#14 Oct 06 2004 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
Although it does seem archaic and unnecessary to me. The idea of separation of sexes holds a bit of merit in high schools, but people should grow out of it by college.


Whoa, whoa, who.

Stop the train.

Is it your contention that men stop noticing women after high school?


Well, that's just incorrect. I check out every single woman I see. And I MUST devote a portion of my attention to doing so. It's just natural.


I'm not a sexist pig (well, I am, but only on the weekends). I believe a woman's place in the work force is determined solely on her capabilities. I don't have a problem with women in combat, space, or any place, really.

But they're still women. How could they NOT get my attention? I'm not necessarily interested in having sex with every single female I come into contact with (read: oh yes I am), but I still gotta look.

That's just the sort of attention those women who chose to attend an all female college really didn't want to deal with. For whatever reason. Now, that choice has been taken away from them.

It would have been much more politic for the school to announce this decision enough in advance so that students could choose to attend elewhere or finish their degrees before it went into effect.
#15 Oct 06 2004 at 12:39 PM Rating: Decent
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Like gbaji said, it's about choice. For whatever reasons, these women chose to go to an all girl school. If I were one of them, I'd be mad, too. There are tons of co-ed schools out there, why change this one?


Hehe, well the school is doing it for financial reasons so I'm sure Gbaji would be in a tizzy over whether natural capitalistic tendencies should be curtailed for the benefit of the teaming horde.

BUT, that wasn't my point here.

My point is that why is there any difference between a Co-ed education and a same-sex one?

Should there be?

What causes these differences?
#16 Oct 06 2004 at 12:45 PM Rating: Good
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TS pretty much summed it up.

I also read something about a month or two ago, think it was on Yahoo, about how "they" you know, "they" had done testing on males and females who were in a sexually segregated school, and both girls and boys did better when they didn't have to deal with the opposite sex.

Makes sense to me. Some people, male or female, may be able to disregard what the opposite sex thinks about them in a work or school environment. But for others, the temptation to play, flirt, or make fun of someone of the opposite sex is just too great.
#17 Oct 06 2004 at 12:52 PM Rating: Decent
That's just academically.

I think it's a mistake to have a school environment that is drastically different from an average work environment.

This type of segregation only exascerbates the problems and difficult differences in the sexes.

Why teach girls only to speak up in an all female environment? How often is that going to happen in the real world? Women need to be steered toward being effectively assertive in mixed situations, not coddled.

Apparently, I'm the only one who thinks this.

#18 Oct 06 2004 at 12:57 PM Rating: Good
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TStephens wrote:
Although it does seem archaic and unnecessary to me. The idea of separation of sexes holds a bit of merit in high schools, but people should grow out of it by college.


Whoa, whoa, who.

Stop the train.

Is it your contention that men stop noticing women after high school?

No, I'm saying that after high school, men (and women) should be fully capable (or learn to be capable) of balancing work with a social life. Of course you'll still be distracted by the opposite sex, but one would hope you'd be mature enough to at least be able to handle being in the same room as them.

I mean, if you go to a same-sex high school so you don't get distracted, and you go to a same-sex college so you don't get distracted; what are you going to do when you get a job and *gasp* there's women in the office?


#19 Oct 06 2004 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good
No, I'm saying that after high school, men (and women) should be fully capable (or learn to be capable) of balancing work with a social life. Of course you'll still be distracted by the opposite sex, but one would hope you'd be mature enough to at least be able to handle being in the same room as them.

I mean, if you go to a same-sex high school so you don't get distracted, and you go to a same-sex college so you don't get distracted; what are you going to do when you get a job and *gasp* there's women in the office?


Well, for starters, it would make more kids look forward to getting a job and going to work.

Personally, I have a rule that I don't date anyone I work with. (I've broken it a couple of times, with really bad results.) That doesn't stop me from flirting or merely checking out my female coworkers, though. Nothing short of castration probably would.

Good example: I share workspace with a very attractive friend. We're nothing more than friends, and she's recently married, to top it off. She was doing some filing one day, working directly in front of me with one button too many loose on her blouse. After 10 minutes or so, I finally said something to her. I asked her to button it up. She turned about 3 shades of red when I did because she wasn't aware of the view I was getting. I asked her to button up not because I found her unattractive, or because I felt guilty, embarrassed, or bad for her.

The truth is, I couldn't do any work. I tried really hard, too.
#20 Oct 06 2004 at 1:32 PM Rating: Good
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Co-ed schools will always outnumber and be more popular choices than same sex schools. So I don't think this will give us a work force full of people who get flustered once they start working with the opposite sex.

I just think it's good that there's a choice.

And on another note: about all girls' schools... maybe these women are shy, and being around other women and not having to deal with men could help their self-esteem. Or, maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about and it will only make them worse Smiley: lol

personally, I wouldn't want to go to an all girl's school. where's the fun in that?
#21 Oct 06 2004 at 2:52 PM Rating: Decent
If you're unable to handle a relationship in college and don't think that you should start learning, then you're screwed, although perhaps not fu[/b]cked.

Ba-dum bum pish!

While it may slightly boost academic performance, I really doubt that it would boost harder to track factors like long-term success- especially since if you require a same-sex enviroment in order to concentrate you're going to be in deep sh[b]
it unless you're planning on becoming a nun.

EDIT: Spelling.

Edited, Wed Oct 6 15:57:53 2004 by RPZip
#22 Oct 06 2004 at 3:05 PM Rating: Excellent
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Why teach girls only to speak up in an all female environment? How often is that going to happen in the real world?
Girl scout meetings, lesbian communes, women's prisons, Oprah studio audience, witch covens, nunneries, etc

All the time!

While I have no issue with single sex education, it seems the school made the choice of its own free will so.. *shrug*. I'm certainly not part of the process to know their thoughts behind switching over.
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#23 Oct 06 2004 at 9:45 PM Rating: Decent
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No offense, Kund...but I think that's kind of sad.


None taken, PP, but I don't think it's sad. I think it is freeing, but that's me.

I mean, just because someone goes to an all girls school doesn't mean that the women there will never have interactions with people of the opposite sex, ya know? There are things like stores, towns, trains, etc, with men around.
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