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#1 Oct 02 2004 at 6:04 AM Rating: Decent

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Looks like one of the labs that Texas relies upon for its forensic work has been doing shoddy work - since as early as 1991.

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Even Houston's top police official this week called for a moratorium on executions of death row inmates convicted on evidence handled or analyzed by the crime lab. Of the 454 inmates on Texas's death row, more than a quarter are from Harris County. One of those Houston men, Edward Green III, 30, is scheduled to die by injection Tuesday.

"I think it would be very prudent for us as a system, that is, a criminal justice system, to delay further executions until we've had an opportunity to reexamine evidence that played a particular role in the conviction of an individual that was sentenced to death," Chief Harold L. Hurtt said at a news briefing at police headquarters Thursday.

"This shows there is absolutely nothing reliable about the forensic science taking place in the crime lab," said Vanessa Potkin, a staff attorney for the New York City-based Innocence Project, which has been representing Rodriguez since 2000.

"It didn't start with DNA testing. The problem is prevalent, widespread and serious. It was prevalent in typical serology science," she said. "Nothing can be considered reliable out of that lab."

Which of course raises the question how many of the men that George Bush executed while Governor were convicted with bogus evidence?

#2 Oct 02 2004 at 6:21 AM Rating: Decent

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God told him they were all guilty. DNA isn't more important than God.

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Which of course raises the question how many of the men that George Bush executed while Governor were convicted with bogus evidence?

Ill say this again.

The governor of Texas can not stop or prevent executions, they can only give a short postponement.

Only an idiot blames a person that has nothing to do with the executions for putting the needle in the their arm.

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Though this is not relevant to this thread, I found this while poking through the Texas Constitution.

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Section 4 - RELIGIOUS TESTS
No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.

Holy ****! You HAVE to believe in god to hold public office in Texas. How very medieval.

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http://dumblaws.com/laws.php?site=laws&cid=184&region=43

#6 Oct 02 2004 at 6:59 AM Rating: Decent

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The governor of Texas can not stop or prevent executions, they can only give a short postponement.

Oh... sorry, let me rephrase....

Which of course raises the question how many of the men for whom George Bush failed to issue a short postponement while Governor were convicted with bogus evidence and subsequently executed?

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Which of course raises the question how many of the men for whom George Bush failed to issue a short postponement while Governor were convicted with bogus evidence and subsequently executed?

He has been out of office for 4 years, what they hell would a short postponement do. If this info is new they would still be dead, maybe if you pointed out the labs shotty work 5 years ago you would have a point, but this late in the game you sound like a desperate person making pot shots to make themselves feel better.

Oh and BTW while Bush was governor he did postpone several executions for DNA testing, and that this lab is not the only one in Texas.

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Though this is not relevant to this thread, I found this while poking through the Texas Constitution.

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Section 4 - RELIGIOUS TESTS
No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.
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Holy sh*t! You HAVE to believe in god to hold public office in Texas. How very medieval.

Not God, necessairily. You could acknowledge the superiority of any being you chose. I'm sure To3tem would place himself on the top of that list.

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He has been out of office for 4 years, what they hell would a short postponement do. If this info is new they would still be dead, maybe if you pointed out the labs shotty work 5 years ago you would have a point, but this late in the game you sound like a desperate person making pot shots to make themselves feel better.

Despite having mentioned Bush, I guess its necessary to point out that this thread is really not about HIM, its about the death penatly, and how no matter how judiciously we attempt to implement it, we are human, fallible and will inevitably make mistakes.

And thereby will be executing innocent people despite our best efforts to avoid doing so. I don't know how you feel about the matter, but as far as I'm concerned executing innocent people is utterly unacceptable and inexcusable. Because we cannot insure that we are not executing the innocent, and because we cannot undo an execution and give a dead man his life again, we really should put a stop to criminal executions altogether.

The article about the lab in Houston is just another example of it.

Edited, Sat Oct 2 09:09:04 2004 by Deathwysh

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The governor of Texas can not stop or prevent executions, they can only give a short postponement.

Doesn't the Governor have the right to commute death sentences to life imprisonment though? Anyone remember Karla Faye Tucker?
She asked to get her death sentence commuted and Bush refused, mocking her pleas instead.

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Doesn't the Governor have the right to commute death sentences to life imprisonment though? Anyone remember Karla Faye Tucker?
She asked to get her death sentence commuted and Bush refused, mocking her pleas instead.

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When the entire appeals process has been exhausted, the Governor of the State of Texas still may have a limited power to grant clemency to the prisoner. In capital cases, the Governor has the constitutional authority to grant an offender one 30-day reprieve of a scheduled execution without a recommendation from the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles. Upon recommendation from the Board, the Governor may grant one or more reprieves in a capital case for any period of time that does not exceed the period recommended by the Board members4. If the prisoner submits a timely request for a reprieve of execution, the Board must determine, by majority vote, whether to recommend to the Governor that a reprieve be granted. Similarly, if a death row inmate files a timely petition to the Board from for a commutation of sentence to a lesser punishment, such as life imprisonment, the Board will vote on whether to recommend the commutation to the Governor5

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I thinkthe scariest part about this whole thing is the fact that the Houston Justice system is ACTUALLy having an issue with postponing any of the death sentences that used this evidence in trial. I mean whether you are for the death penalty or not this should not be a question should it? Believe it or not, many ppl in the criminal justice system feel we should not hold off on these death sentences for reinvestigation because of what it could mean for the victim's feelings. What do you guys think about this? Isn't it more important to worry about the rights of those who may have been wrongly convicted?

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What do you guys think about this? Isn't it more important to worry about the rights of those who may have been wrongly convicted?

Hell no! Nothing must interfere with the grim efficiency of the death machine!!!!

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I thinkthe scariest part about this whole thing is the fact that the Houston Justice system is ACTUALLy having an issue with postponing any of the death sentences that used this evidence in trial

Well the houston justice system cant do anything about those already convicted, they can postpone the trials till this issue is resolved, but those already convicted are under state jurisdiction. Now those already convicted can, and probably already have or atleast those with lawyers, petitioned Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles for a stay of execution till the investigation is over.

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They should take a cue from former Illinois Gov. George Ryan, put the death penalty on hold until the system can be reviewed and upgraded for the relatively recent arrival of DNA testing. Also to check for potential bias or inconsistencies in the system. We really shouldn't accept any error on these matters, or at least astronomically small error.

Edited, Sat Oct 2 23:29:52 2004 by trickybeck

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I belive in the death penalty. For those who are truely guilty of the crimes they have commited and are capable of understanding how greivious the crime is, and how grievious of a punishment the death penalty is.

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I belive in the death penalty. For those who are truely guilty of the crimes they have commited and are capable of understanding how greivious the crime is, and how grievious of a punishment the death penalty is.

The problem is the "truely guilty" part.

If you could guranatee you'd never execute an innocent person I'd bge ok with the death penalty.

Let me know when that's the case. Untill then the life of one innocent isn't worth the deaths of 1,000,000 guilty.

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The problem is the "truely guilty" part.

I don't know how to gaurentee this, so until then I think the death penalty should be set aside and how we go about deciding innocene and guilt in our courts needs to be re-examined from the top to the bottom.

To often a person is found guilty of crimes they did not commit because they look like the type of person who would commit a crime. Juries have that whole "well, if he didn't do that, he probably did something just as bad or worse" mentality when it comes to defendents, specially ones of color and ones who are not fair to look upon.

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Doesn't Bush take an avid stance against abortion because he calls it murder. But he is a huge fan of the death pentalty. Now whos sending mixed messages

*edited because I have no sense of grammer tonight.

Edited, Sun Oct 3 00:26:53 2004 by PieMan

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I imagine Bush is probably fine with brown skinned babies being aborted or ground up into hamburg at birth, etc.

It's the poor white children he's worried about.

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It's the rich white children he's worried about.

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Hey, I didn't say the man was next to Jesus, at least he hit one right note in his 4 years. Smiley: lol

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