There are reasons why low turnouts are good for the Republican party and why the DMV is always full of grubby peoiple.
Republican voters are more likely to take an election with a low turnout because they are the ones who ALWAYS vote. Voting is important to them; they see it as a duty. And when they go to get a driver's license, they've got their **** together so they get it on the first trip to the DMV and you don't see them there again until 1 month before their license is due to expire.
The grubby people live at the DMV, participating in various contortions trying to prove that they are somehow owed a license to drive without having the required paperwork, skills, vision, fees, etc.
Totem, if you'd like to test this you can simply go down to your local DMV about 5 times in a month and photograph everyone there. I promise you'll capture some of the same grubby people on film at least three times. Though I'll admit it's hard to tell. They all look alike to me.
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Voting is a very important duty of every American citizen.
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I believe voter registration would be better implemented in the income tax returns, thus insuring the rich are the ones being able to make the decisions in this country, not the poor.
FTFY
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I believe voter registration would be better implemented in the income tax returns, thus insuring the rich are the ones being able to make the decisions in this country, not the poor.
how is that any change?
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I believe voter registration would be better implemented in the income tax returns, thus insuring the people who file are the ones who get to vote. This will eliminate many deadbeats, drug dealers, etc. from the voter rolls.
Since FTFY seems to be 'in' again.
I abhor fads and popular trends, so I don't vote. I'm also lazy and uneducated and don't understand the political system enough to make a proper, informed decision. I went as far as to get the voter registration forms printed out this year, but never filed em or anything.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
So I take it Jo, Death, and Smash are opposed to having an income tax return based voter registration system installed? Why? Are you anti-vote? Don't you think that as many people as possible should be on the rolls?
And Jophiel? There are no DMVs in affluent sections of town. Here in Kalifornia each office is so close to the gates of Hell you can smell the sulphur...
Totem
And Jophiel? There are no DMVs in affluent sections of town. Here in Kalifornia each office is so close to the gates of Hell you can smell the sulphur...
Totem
Why can't this be done at the post office? Would it really be that friggen difficult for the post office to collaborate some with the town and state that they are in?
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So I take it Jo, Death, and Smash are opposed to having an income tax return based voter registration system installed? Why? Are you anti-vote? Don't you think that as many people as possible should be on the rolls?
You could include voter registration with tax returns, Selective Service, post offices, checking accounts, the Columbia Record Club and in boxes of Corn Flakes for all I care. So long as it's monitored to prevent fraud, I'm all for it.
None of which explains anything about the desire of the Pubbies to keep registration out of the DMV.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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In my opinion, the only vote that is wasted is the one that is not made.
Or the vote that is made without any attempt at informing yourself of the issues, and where the prospective candidates stand on said issues.
Or how often they switch their stance, or if they have a stance at all.
Like, hey, it's cool to vote so I'll do it. I'll vote for that guy cause, like, his wife made ketchup.
Some people are like slinkies, they aren't really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down the stairs.
Hey now, Bush's daddy considered ketchup to be an important vegetable in the school child's lunch.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Or how often they switch their stance, or if they have a stance at all.
Or how often they lie, or if they have ever told the truth at all.
No, you are making a conclusion which is not correct, Jo. I am fine with moter-voter registration as long as all the other demographics are covered as well through means like income tax returns, Publishers Clearinghouse Sweepstakes forms, Betty Crocker food labels on the inside of cereal boxes, and as you say, Columbia Records free give-aways.
I object to any scheme which targets a particular demogrpahic for a particular party, just like those voter registrars who go into low income housing to specifically get the poor to vote. As long as middle and upper income neighborhoods are targeted as well, I'm fine with it.
My only point about the income tax is that it pushes those who are paying into the system to involve themselves in the process. I'd be in favor of moving Election Day to April 16 as well, but that's unlikely to happen too.
Totem
I object to any scheme which targets a particular demogrpahic for a particular party, just like those voter registrars who go into low income housing to specifically get the poor to vote. As long as middle and upper income neighborhoods are targeted as well, I'm fine with it.
My only point about the income tax is that it pushes those who are paying into the system to involve themselves in the process. I'd be in favor of moving Election Day to April 16 as well, but that's unlikely to happen too.
Totem
*Shrug*
In Illinois, you have to go to the DMV to get a license at least initially and then for retesting every so many years. If you drive a car, which most middle and upper class residents of Illinois do, you're at the DMV at some point in your life. Regardless of whether or not N. Carolina will mail you a license with no picture, or whether or not the DMVs in California are located in the depths of Gehanna, in Illinois you have to go to the DMV if you want a license or a state ID.
If any socio-economic group is being misrepresented by the Motor Voter program, it's the lower class who can not afford a car, lives in the city where having a car isn't practical due to lack of parking, etc. Even the upper class in downtown Chicago is more likely to own a license (and thus go to the DMV) than the lower class on the South Side.
Given that, your arguments about the unfairness of the program because "only scummy people go to the DMV" are unfounded. Explain again why the Pubbies should work so hard to keep people from registering to vote at the DMV?
In Illinois, you have to go to the DMV to get a license at least initially and then for retesting every so many years. If you drive a car, which most middle and upper class residents of Illinois do, you're at the DMV at some point in your life. Regardless of whether or not N. Carolina will mail you a license with no picture, or whether or not the DMVs in California are located in the depths of Gehanna, in Illinois you have to go to the DMV if you want a license or a state ID.
If any socio-economic group is being misrepresented by the Motor Voter program, it's the lower class who can not afford a car, lives in the city where having a car isn't practical due to lack of parking, etc. Even the upper class in downtown Chicago is more likely to own a license (and thus go to the DMV) than the lower class on the South Side.
Given that, your arguments about the unfairness of the program because "only scummy people go to the DMV" are unfounded. Explain again why the Pubbies should work so hard to keep people from registering to vote at the DMV?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I don't know. I can't speak to the DMV lifeforms in Chicago, but here in Kalifornia I could be hanging out in front of the liquor store based on the clientel who go there. It's prolly as TStephens says: Affluent people have their **** together and avoid that place as much as possible, whereas the Dirties go there trying to get their licenses back after their third DUI.
Who knows? I just know it sucks to go there.
Totem
Who knows? I just know it sucks to go there.
Totem
Doesn't matter how often the rich and beautiful go to the DMV. You only need to register to vote the once unless you move. And, in Illinois, if you move you have to go to the DMV to get a new license within fifteen days anyway. The standard population dempgraphics of the DMV isn't in any way relevant.
So explain again why it'd be so important to the Republicans to stop people from registering at the DMV that they'd take it to court and then try to confuse the system so people wouldn't be registered for state and local elections?
So explain again why it'd be so important to the Republicans to stop people from registering at the DMV that they'd take it to court and then try to confuse the system so people wouldn't be registered for state and local elections?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Totem wrote:
I don't know. I can't speak to the DMV lifeforms in Chicago, but here in Kalifornia I could be hanging out in front of the liquor store based on the clientel who go there. It's prolly as TStephens says: Affluent people have their **** together and avoid that place as much as possible, whereas the Dirties go there trying to get their licenses back after their third DUI.
Who knows? I just know it sucks to go there.
Who knows? I just know it sucks to go there.
Totem is correct about the DMV in California. It's definitely the worse I have EVER seen. I've been to the BMV in Illinois. Hell, they have little offices in strip malls. Very easy and convienent.
The DMV in CA is severely underfunded and backwards and dirty. Where does all the income tax I pay go?
Oh yeah, I forgot....PG and Fu[u][/u]cking E and Enron.
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Hey now, Bush's daddy considered ketchup to be an important vegetable in the school child's lunch.
No, that was Ronald Reagan who wanted ketchup classified as a vegetable in student lunches.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Did you ever think that the reason there are so many dirty people at the DMV is because dirty people are in the majority?
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Who knows? I just know it sucks to go there.
So send your butler ;)
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I object to any scheme which targets a particular demogrpahic for a particular party, just like those voter registrars who go into low income housing to specifically get the poor to vote. As long as middle and upper income neighborhoods are targeted as well, I'm fine with it.
Seems to me that the DMV is a fair place to capture all demographics.
If someone relocated the DMVs in strategic districts so as to just capture a certain group of voters, that would be one thing.
But the fact that affluent people avoid it because it's smelly isn't a good enough reason to complain.
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