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#1 Sep 29 2004 at 9:26 PM Rating: Decent
Voting is a very important duty of every American citizen. It is their voice to be heard in an otherwise crowded and culturally diverse nation. I learned about how important that it was when I was in 5th grade, and the 1992 presidental election was upon us. We had a whole school vote with all of the students, and were very serious about it down to the last of the ballots counted. This importance has stayed with me, and made me get out and register on my 18th birthday.

A couple of weeks ago, I was flipping through the channels on a rainy day and came across the advertisement for this year's MTV Voting Registration Campaign. Now, I don't agree with MTV at all on anything that they represent musically, but you will have to read my aversions to them in another thread in the future. Fully knowing that it is this channel and the E! Entertainment Channel that pretty much sets all of the current and hip things to do for the week, I immediately took offense. My initial thought was, how dare they stake claim to all of a sudden saying that voting is now the "cool and hip" thing to do, when it has been important ever since the foundation of the country?

After some thinking, I determined that the long-term goal was noble enough. If MTV really is using its popularity to emphasize the importance of the inclusion of every willing and able voting American citizen to get out there and voice their opinion, then more power to them. However, it seems that more and more people have taken it upon themselves to self-proclaim themself as a deliverer of the ignorant and unmotivated. Oprah Winfrey is going to have a Voting Party episode on Sept. 30th, bringing all sorts of celebrities on to "plead and appeal to the nonvoting/nonregistered".

Now for all of you. Does anyone see anything wrong with this? Do the ends justify the means? What happens when celebrities voice their powerful and admired opinion about who they are voting for, and the uneducated vote along with them because it is "cool"? They do offer candidate information on their site and a direct link to register; they are very serious about their campaign, but are they underestimating their audience?

Personally, I prefer to have people learn anyway that they can. I don't think that those that are 18+ are really "programmed" into thinking that they should vote for someone because somebody famous is. As for using fame to usher in priority and responsibility, I think it is one of the best things to come out of it. In my opinion, the only vote that is wasted is the one that is not made.

Edited, Wed Sep 29 22:46:36 2004 by Kelvhand
#2 Sep 29 2004 at 9:36 PM Rating: Good
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Hate to break it to you sparky but MTV has been doing the voting is cool bit for the last several elections. I realize you just got old enough to notice it and therefore believe its new... but it ain't, and it's no worse then the don't do drug commercials you see on afternoon TV.
#3 Sep 29 2004 at 9:43 PM Rating: Decent
ssshhhhh dont tell him that. he just got a TV. let the man have his fun.
#4 Sep 29 2004 at 9:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Wait, you are only now realizing that MTV has been promoting voting to younger people? Um, MTV has been doing this for quite awhile now, starting with the promotion of Rock the Vote - which was started in 1990, and their various "Choose or Lose" campaigns.

Remember that famous question posed to Clinton in 1992? Boxers or Briefs? That was from an MTV voting special.

What's wrong with the US is that voter registration is voluntary. I think that it should be mandatory and registration automatic whenever you get a driver's license, get a state ID, or get a job. It'd be really nice if not voting was actually illegal, but I have a feeling that a lot of people wouldn't like that unfortunately.
#5 Sep 29 2004 at 9:45 PM Rating: Decent
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I realize you just got old enough to notice it and therefore believe its new... but it ain't


This will be the second election that I am voting in. I have noticed it before, but whether or not I did has nothing to do with what I just posted. It just never seemed to generate such a larger response in other people (Christina Aguilera, Drew Barrymore, etc.) It seems to be directly correlated.

You didn't answer the question I posed.

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MTV has been doing the voting is cool bit for the last several elections


From your words it seems like you have an opinion on it, I am curious to hear it.
#6 Sep 29 2004 at 9:55 PM Rating: Good
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What's wrong with the US is that voter registration is voluntary. I think that it should be mandatory and registration automatic whenever you get a driver's license, get a state ID, or get a job. It'd be really nice if not voting was actually illegal, but I have a feeling that a lot of people wouldn't like that unfortunately.


The freedom to not participate and to not vote is just as important as it is to vote and participate.

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You didn't answer the question I posed.


From your words it seems like you have an opinion on it, I am curious to hear it.


Reading comprehension is our friend. I did respond to it, now pay attention this time I don't like repeating myself:

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and it's no worse then the don't do drug commercials you see on afternoon TV.
#7 Sep 29 2004 at 10:06 PM Rating: Good
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No, Kelvy, it is the purview of the Democratic Party to attempt to recruit voters historically likely to vote for their party under the guise of "Rock the Vote" or "Get Out the Vote" and other recruiting drives aimed at lower income neighborhoods and particular minorities. Notice that there is never a drive to go into middle class or upper class neighborhoods and ask them if they are registered.

The assumption is that the poor can't motivate themselves to go to the post office or the doors of WalMart and sign a voter registration log, so they must be waited on hand and foot.

Fortunately, these same people are too hungover from the previous evening's crack and MD 20/20 party to actually go out and participate in the election process, thus assuring the country's tax paying citizens from spending even more of their hard earned money on welfare relief voted in by those too lazy to work themselves.

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#8 Sep 29 2004 at 10:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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Illinois had the ole "Motor Voter" program for years now which essentially registers you to vote when you get your license. I believe one can easily opt out since they simply say "Oh, and if you're not registered to vote you can do so now". Republicans worked long and hard to block the program from taking effect, taking it to court and even trying to establish a "two tier" system where you could only register for federal elections at the DMV and not state elections. Fortunately, they lost their court battles and the state election board determined that Motor Voter registration is applicable to any election held in the state of Illinois, be if federal, local or state.
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#9 Sep 29 2004 at 10:29 PM Rating: Good
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No, Kelvy, it is the purview of the Democratic Party to attempt to recruit voters historically likely to vote for their party under the guise of "Rock the Vote" or "Get Out the Vote" and other recruiting drives aimed at lower income neighborhoods and particular minorities. Notice that there is never a drive to go into middle class or upper class neighborhoods and ask them if they are registered.


Sorry, Totem, you are dead wrong there. The GOP gets in touch with clergy with the hopes that they will energize their parish into voting. This is usually right before a sermon about abortion or gay people. It may not be the same thing as a tradional drive, but on the other hand, lower class people generally have a low percentage of voters.
#10 Sep 29 2004 at 10:30 PM Rating: Good
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Why is that fortunate, Jo?

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#11 Sep 29 2004 at 10:38 PM Rating: Good
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Hmmm, I don't know that the GOP or the RNC gets in touch specifically with clergy or targets them (compared to any other demographic), but assuming the clergy you are talking about is theologically mainstream Christian, they are historically conservative due to the belief structure they are organized around.

I hope that doesn't sound circular, Lubey, but unless these are mega-churches that are being singled out, clergy in general tend to be less accepting of radical social change despite seeking social justice. Does that make sense to you?

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#12 Sep 29 2004 at 10:38 PM Rating: Good
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Why is that fortunate, Jo?

Totem


What do you republicans have against voting?
#13 Sep 29 2004 at 10:49 PM Rating: Good
Totem, I was off a bit, I'll give you that. The bush campaign just wanted lists of entire parishes so that they could contact them themselves, clergy and all, I would imagine.

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Here is one that is marginally related, but more recent.

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Why is that fortunate, Jo?
Because it benefits commie liberals, obviously.

It's fortunate because I'm generally in favor of things that motivate people to go to the polls on election day. It's also fortunate because it helps streamline a process and makes it easier to register without any real negative effects. If I have the option of either waiting in line at the DMV and then driving to the courthouse to register or doing both at the DMV, I don't see any benefit to having to drive to the courthouse. It's non-partisan and doesn't pressure people to register for a particular party. The cleriks at the DMV are as much a government employee as the clerks at the county courthouse -- it's not as if one of them is somehow a more devout believer in government, both are just working stiffs making a living in a low end government job.

There was really no reason for the Republicans to attempt to block it. Their "issue" was about growth of government and unsubstantiated comments about "potential voter fraud". Their attempts to obfuscate and confuse the process by making a two tier system was particularly contemptable.

Edited, Wed Sep 29 23:52:33 2004 by Jophiel
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#15 Sep 29 2004 at 10:53 PM Rating: Good
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What do I have against voters being registered?

Nothing if you are asking me, except that whenever I go to the DMV it's packed with ne'r-do-wells and scummy looking people. It resembles the welfare office on check distribution day or the local soup kitchen at dinnertime.

In principle, easy access to voting registration seems like a good idea as long as it reaches all demographics. I believe voter registration would be better implemented in the income tax returns, thus insuring taxpayers are the ones being able to make the decisions in this country, not the uneducated and lazy.

Totem

Edited, Wed Sep 29 23:56:19 2004 by Totem
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In principle, easy access to voting registration seems like a good idea as long as it reaches all demographics
I'm willing to bet a greater percentage of the upper class demographic goes to the DMV and get a drivers license with the chance to register than the lower class folks who rely on public transportation to get around.
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#17 Sep 29 2004 at 10:56 PM Rating: Good
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In principle, easy access to voting registration seems like a good idea as long as it reaches all demographics. I believe voter registration would be better implemented in the income tax returns, thus insuring taxpayers are the ones being able to make the decisions in this country, not the uneducated and lazy.


Would you be in favor of ammending the constitution to limit voting rights to taxpayers only then?
#18 Sep 29 2004 at 11:02 PM Rating: Good
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Anecdotally it doesn't seem that way here in Cali and other states I've gone to the DMV in-- they seem to tend towards generally filthy and unwashed people getting drivers licenses or haggling with the clerk over why they didn't pay the tag fees in time.

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#19 Sep 29 2004 at 11:06 PM Rating: Good
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No, I wouldn't be in favor of a constitutional amendment, but you have to admit having income tax returns being the major threshold for voter registration makes a certain kind of sense wherein those with a vested interest in where their money goes involve themselves in the process. Mind you, there can be a mail-in form for those who don't file or a social security insta-registration for elderly who don't otherwise file income tax returns.

Totem
#20 Sep 29 2004 at 11:11 PM Rating: Good
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Totem wrote:
Anecdotally it doesn't seem that way here in Cali and other states I've gone to the DMV in-- they seem to tend towards generally filthy and unwashed people getting drivers licenses or haggling with the clerk over why they didn't pay the tag fees in time.

Totem

So then where is everyone else getting there license from? The magical driver's license fairy?



Besides, without the DMV you couldn't meet interesting people like this:
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A man fled the motor vehicles office in Leesburg, Va., after a September incident in which he, silently and calmly, presented a DMV employee with a postcard photograph of a banana being shot by a bullet, and the legend "banana=DMV." The man then hurried out, and when several employees got to the parking lot in pursuit, there were bananas strewn around the lot but no one in sight. Said the Leesburg police chief, "This (man) is a different (kind)."


#21 Sep 29 2004 at 11:31 PM Rating: Decent
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The freedom to not participate and to not vote is just as important as it is to vote and participate


How is it important not to vote. It's just irresponsible in my view. Democracy should not be defined by those who do not vote.
#22 Sep 29 2004 at 11:47 PM Rating: Good
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Tricky, in some states that I've lived in you can get your license by mail as long as you have a valid license from another state. Others don't require you to come in ever again after your 16th birthday. All that may have changed since 9/11 though. No magical license dispensing fairies that I know of...

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Erm, if you have a license from another state, how does the new state get your picture to put on your new license? For that matter, I imagine most states have you come in now and then to get your vision test, etc. I dare say the DMV is a building most people enter at some point in their post-16 life.
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Anecdotally it doesn't seem that way here in Cali and other states I've gone to the DMV in-- they seem to tend towards generally filthy and unwashed people getting drivers licenses or haggling with the clerk over why they didn't pay the tag fees in time.
Maybe you should go to DMV's in more affulent areas of town. Or it could be that the dregs of society outnumber the rich and beautiful people you'd rather see while waiting in line. Be that as it may, the unwashed masses are still eligible to vote. So far you have yet to provide any reason why the Republican attempts to stop the Motor Voter program were valid and not based on the fear that said unwashed masses might not be real keen on Republican policy. I'm sure your complaints that too many dirty poor people go to the DMV would do wonders to endear them to your philosophy though. I reccommend you start campaigning in the DMVs with that motto.
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#24 Sep 30 2004 at 12:37 AM Rating: Decent
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The more people who vote, the worse Repulicans do.

Their goal is to use fear, apathy, and smear tactics to get as many people as possible not to vote deciding that "there's no one worth voting for".

That's a stated policy mission of their demographic team. Low turnout.
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#25 Sep 30 2004 at 1:04 AM Rating: Decent
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voting should never be compulsory. if someone isnt motivated enough to vote on their own then (in most cases) they arent educated enough to vote in an intelligent and informed manner.

do you really want the guy who flips a coin to decide which party he votes a straight ticket for (because if he doesnt he gets thrown in jail) deciding who should represent our country?

im obviously not saying he doesnt have every right to flip a coin to decide, but why force him to flip that coin if he doesnt want to?
#26 Sep 30 2004 at 2:12 AM Rating: Good
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I had a license from North Carolina that I received when I turned 16 that did not have a photograph of me on it. Now understand, I already had an international drivers license since I had just moved from Japan, but apprently it was not necessary at that time.

My Michigan license also did not require a picture.

Of course, all bets are off now in the aftermath of 9/11.

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