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We're you beating off into the wind?

Hope you don't mind if I use that pic as my new avatar, Illia, it rocks!

I was once a true conservative. Then I opened my eyes and relized that when a society does now reach down to the members at the bottom and give them a helping hand, those member begin to pull down the society around them.

To help someone by giving them money for rent, child care, or food is not socialism. This gives people the opprotunity to find a job that will allow them to afford food, rent, healt care, and other basic neccesities of life. This is giving someone that push to help themselves.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people! Ya, but guns make it a lot easier to kill someone then a knife or a bat does. I am not for the banning of guns, in fact, I think everyone should have to take a fire arm class when in highschool. This would impress upon people the leathality of these weapons and also proper handling and storage of them.

Religion is the biggest problem this world has. There are so many religons that breed anger, hate, and violence that peace will never be found by anyone. Remember this abour our president: he is a born again christian, who belives Isreal must fully reclaim the holy land for the return of Christ to happen. I belive he is intent on "seeing" the return of Christ, and so he must do what is in his power to make sure Isreal reigns triumphant in the middle-east, the world be damned.

Those are three things I have now come to view as being true. This is but a small sample of things I feel strongly about. I belive both the far right and left are wrong in how they want to resolve issues. I belive something in the middle is best; but because of todays Republicans, this paints me as being a liberal. So if that is what I am viewed as, then that is what I am.

While other issues have importance-- some more than others --the common denominator of death does in no way connect the two subjects.


Of course it does. Being pro-life and not against the Death penalty is a morally bankrupt and indefensible position. The position of, say, the Catholic Church, while I disagree with it, is at the very least, consistent.

The subject is about killing someone/something. So abortion and capital punishment can be lumped together.

To take a stance against abortion is adrimable, but hypocritical if you don't also take a stand against capital punishment. If you belive a fetus is a living human being and should not be killed, then a convicted serial murderer is also a human being and should not be killed for his crimes.

You can use the arguement that a fetus is innocent, while a murderer is guilty of taking another life, but this does not change the hypocratic stance, all that is shows is you are rationalizing why this is a valid way to look at the subject of death.

So, choose life, or death, but not both.

FTFY.

Yeah, I was always under the impression that new justices were selected by chimps throwing darts.

Riiiiight. GFY, Varus.

believe it or not, I'm mostly with Totem on this one.

I believe abortion is wrong. I can think of very few hypothetical situations where I would deem abortion to be morally correct.

However, my beliefs and the moral beliefs of everyone are irrelevant. Right, wrong, ugly, pretty, or not, it's not my choice.

Women deserve the right to choose. Even if that right enables them to choose poorly.

Abortion is wrong, pretty much all the time. It needs to be available, legal, and covered by the provincial health care system.

And I love seeing when someone has nothing to say to defend themselves that they turn to personal attacks.

Grow up you hypocritical ***.

And why don't you grow an intellect so that we can hold a semi-cogent conversation where you don't mix completely different topics, Meerkatxx?

Like I said, since death is the sole common denominator, are we going to throw nursing homes into the discussion? Or crematoriums? Or Grim Reaper costumes for Halloween?

Are you finally getting it through that dense bone you call your skull that abortion and the death penalty have nothing in common except for the commonality of cesation of life? Or are you a special kind of idiot that I need to draw a series of pictures to get you to comprehend that not everything equates to everything else?

Dumba$$.

Totem

Were talking about one person causing the death of another, completely within the law, correct? Or in the case of a mother, causing the death of a fetus.

So, please stay on topic. Thank you.

Assuming you belive a fetus is a living person, and you oppose it being put to death by a mother, then you must oppose a criminal being put to death if you wish to maintian consistency in your philosophy.

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