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#1 Sep 22 2004 at 3:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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In England we are told how hugely popular Tony Blair is in the States, yet here he grows less popular by the day. The recent Hostage takings has mounted the pressure on Blair to Resign. The most likely candidate to take over would be Gordon Brown, someone who the voters still respect and forever more becoming the outcast in the Labour Cabinet yet more respected by the back benchers.

I Know Blair stood by the US in the war against Iraq and terrorism, but I still fail to see his popularity there. We only get English politicians and press telling us how popular he is there. However I think American views would make a more clear and honest picture then political hype.
#2 Sep 22 2004 at 3:08 PM Rating: Decent
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Bush's butt-buddy? I don't care much for the bloke. Don't know how anyone else over here thinks though.
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#4 Sep 22 2004 at 3:12 PM Rating: Good
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They're lying to you in England.

I guess Blair is popular, but mainly as a guy we know will follow us on whatever asinine mission we involve ourselves in. The fact that he's given the thumbs up on anything proposed by both Clinton and Bush has only reinforced the notion.

So we like knowing there's another "major" country out there who has our back, but it's not like people speak admirably about his policies and beliefs.
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#5 Sep 22 2004 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Hello,
American here weighing in on the issue.

I admire the way Tony Blair has stood with President Bush on the war on terror issue, when the rest of Europe seemed to run away with their tails between their legs. I'm not saying they did or didn't, but it is the way it was presented to us on this side of the pond.

I have seen him speak as well (Mr. Blair) and I think that he is a good public speaker and makes concise, easy to understand points, unlike our own present leader who can't even say the word nuclear correctly.

However, I don't think that President Bush had a legitimate reason for going into Iraq. It is extremely fishy that Sadaam tried to have the first president Bush assassinated in 1993 then one of the first things George W. Jr. does when elected is go after Iraq.

I don't like rich boys who play monopoly with our country.

(of course I'm not voting for Kerry either. Choosing someone because they're considered the lesser of the two evils is just as bad as voting for the worst candidate itself.)

#6 Sep 22 2004 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
We think of him in the same way that we think of Lenny from "Of Mice and Men"; big, stupid, and does anything George (Dubya) tells him to.

EDIT: Spelling.

Edited, Wed Sep 22 16:16:33 2004 by RPZip
#7 Sep 22 2004 at 3:16 PM Rating: Good
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The people who support the war in Iraq and Bush will probably say good things about Blair.

The people who oppose the war in Iraq and Bush will probably say bad things about Blair.


That's pretty much how it goes.
#8 Sep 22 2004 at 3:16 PM Rating: Decent
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I honestly doubt too many people have an opinion of him, one way or the other. Hardcore Bush supporters probably like him, but, from my experience, most Americans don't really follow the politics of other countries.
#9 Sep 22 2004 at 3:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Like I thought, I guess each country hears what the leaders and press want them to hear. I agree with the point on votiong in the lesser of evils, however I think that is the case here and alot of democratic countries. We get one choice then have to wait years to get the same choice all over again. I am glad we stuck by the States, I just wish it was for better reasons.
The point on Blair doing whatever Bush or Clinton said is also true, although England liked Clinton.
I guess England would like to see Kerry win, but not for the like of kerry, more for the hate of Bush and 'Poodle Blair'.
#10 Sep 22 2004 at 3:51 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I'd certainly prefer (from an international standpoint, not England domestic) Blkair over someone who was anti-US. Then again, I'm a silly liberal who believes in strengthening overseas alliances rather than telling them to **** off Smiley: wink2
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#12 Sep 22 2004 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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He's popular with the left because he's a leftist, and he's popular with the right because he bends over for bush. That's my best explanation, anyway.


I think it's a bit shocking that people in the U.S. know about Blair at all. I couldn't name the political party of a single other world leader.


#13 Sep 22 2004 at 10:24 PM Rating: Decent
I judge politicians ability to lead a country solely on their appearance.

In addition to being a fine leader, I think Mr. Blair has good taste in suits.

#14 Sep 22 2004 at 11:41 PM Rating: Good
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I admire the way Tony Blair has stood with President Bush on the war on terror issue, when the rest of Europe seemed to run away with their tails between their legs. I'm not saying they did or didn't, but it is the way it was presented to us on this side of the pond.


Maybe thats how Fox News presented it....
#15 Sep 23 2004 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
Im english an live in England, Blair isnt too popular here, neither was the war on Iraq, he should be out by next election. The hostage taking hasnt put pressure on blair to resign, at least it didnt seem to, but blair will be out because the media make the whole war thing look like it was based on lies.
#16 Sep 23 2004 at 6:34 PM Rating: Good
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A better reason countries like France, Germany, and Russia didn't support the war is that they had lucrative contracts with Iraq.

Then there is the possibility that they were on the Saddam payroll, along with the oil for food UN administrators. Then you have Kofi Annan, who if not taking money, at least knew about it and ignored it.

Can't interupt that cash flow into their pockets that should be going into childrens mouths. That would be a real tragedy.

While I certainly agree we (USA)went to war under quite possibly false pretenses, history will be the judge of the ends and if they justified the means.

I have no opinion on Blair either way, I just don't know enough about the political system there to say anything other than good job telling ze terrorist to **** off.

Edited, Thu Sep 23 19:36:48 2004 by Bakkasan
#17 Sep 23 2004 at 7:38 PM Rating: Default
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of course I'm not voting for Kerry either. Choosing someone because they're considered the lesser of the two evils is just as bad as voting for the worst candidate itself.


I've heard so many people say this, and I don't agree with it at all. Why is Kerry all that bad? I think Kerry/Edwards will/would make a very powerful team in office. I also think that one of the main reasons why people see Kerry as the "lesser of two evils" is because Bush is SO EVIL to some people, that they can't help but focus more on him leaving office, than on who will be replacing him.

I think the other thing (that the Republican party has pretty much based every single argument against Kerry on) is that Kerry is now seen as a "Flip Flopper." God I can't tell you how much that stupid label annoys me now. Most of the people that believe this are the ones overly susceptible to advertising (the majority of this country). It is simply amazing to me how the Republicans spin every single thing whether it is the war, the economy, or health care, and find a way to tack on "Kerry changes his mind on..." at the end of the sentence. People go "Duh...really?"

They aren't capable of understanding the nuances of voting in the senate, and the complexity of what he was trying to accomplish. They don't understand that he was for the 87 billion towards the war were it to be taken from the top 1%s tax money, and made a stand against the fact that it would be taken from other *more important* aspects of society like health care and education by voting against *that version of it*
He already knew his vote wouldn't matter because it would pass anyways. He wanted to make a political stance against George W. Bush. He knew that it wouldn't hurt the troops or deny them of things like body armor (which the democrats had more of a hand in helping the soldiers getting than the republicans, by the way).

Every time someone says "Kerry is a Flip Flopper" Karl Rove gets a huge smirk on his face and pats his own back with those pudgy, sweaty palms. Way to go Repubs on that one - genius political maneuvering there. Let me tell you something. If George Bush had any political experience at all he could be labeled just the same way. Look at any senators record who has been voting for as many years as John Kerry and you will find votes which when you dumb them down, seem to contradict each other. Convenient there isn't enough time to explain each bill in a 30 second advertisement.

As I've said before: I wish George W. Bush was a flip-flopper. At least then he might be open to suggestions and advice - be able to alter his course based on new information, instead of heading straight off a cliff which he initially thought was a road to freedom. He is too damned stubborn, and too damned arrogant. I wish he was a flip-flopper.

Kerry could be one of the best Presidents we have ever seen. If we want Bush out of office, people are going to have to start recognizing Kerry beyond the political Republican spinning that has been done. He is intelligent, he has over a dozen years of foreign relations experience, he is driven, motivated, open to suggestions yet resolute at the same time, and most of all, he is idealistic. His idealism can be seen in how he was addressing the senate at age 27. In how he was strong enough to be able to command a swift boat only to realize the war was a mistake and come home to protest it. He fights for what he believes in. He could be the best president.
#18 Sep 23 2004 at 9:54 PM Rating: Decent
This may be a bit off topic, but I found if you add curry to the classic tuna w/ mayo & mustard, it profoundly changes the sandwich.
Tuna lovers will rejoice.
Tuna haters will be turned.
#19 Sep 24 2004 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Curry?? Eww.

I eat my tuna/mayo/mustard on a plate of Stovetop Stuffing.
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#20 Sep 24 2004 at 3:49 PM Rating: Default
Kerry good, Bush bad, tuna good, curry good, Blair bad.
#21 Sep 24 2004 at 4:57 PM Rating: Good
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So now you can buy cans of tuna with Mayo. Smiley: oyvey

Fer f[/i]uck's sake! If you ain't mentally developed enough to mix mayo with tuna, what chance do you stand of opening the f[i]uckin' can!!
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#22 Sep 24 2004 at 5:20 PM Rating: Decent
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