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This is all I had to read.

"Sadly, you apparently didn't come remotely close to understanding his answer. No worries, though, your vote STILL counts just as much as the other retarded people! "

Not nice to call yourself retarded. But atleast i didn't have to say it. =D

No Deb. Christianity is slightly more involved. I accepted Christ many years ago and tried to live very much like what is expected. However over the years and life experiences some parts have slipped, and up until recently I've not been the best example of being a Christian and even now I'm still working on a few issues with my own life.

Becoming a Christian, does not mean that you will always be the best example but the purpose is to try your hardest. Accepting Christ is not an automatic transformation it is immediate forgiveness. You are not instantly transformed into a "perfect example" this takes a life time to accomplish and I know that I have a long way to go.

The goal is to set the example so that one that has not accepted Christ will see the difference in the way a true Christian acts toward other people in kindness, forgiveness and believe it or not with an open mind.

I'm not defending my actions or posts on this forum, but I will say that I have not acted in the most Christ like manner, and perhaps PP was correct in calling me a hypocrit. Let me say that the actions portrayed by many here that claim to be open minded are just as guilty of being hypocritical as I am.

Life is a trying time, and obviously people that are not Christians have an opinion of what a Christian should be than what a Christian truly is, which is a person just like you who still makes mistakes.

edited because complete thoughts make happy thoughts.

Edited, Wed Sep 22 16:52:33 2004 by Stok

Oh, stop crying that the mean non-Christians are expecting too much from you, you sissy.

You asked what a Christian was. In fact, you asked it repeatedly as if the answer would vindicate you. I gave you a simple, factual and Biblical answer as to what a Christian is. Just because one can't point to a single example of you trying to emulate Christ and his teachings on this forum doesn't mean all the nasty ole pagans are picking on you.

Whether or not the pagans and heretics of the forum are open or closed minded is 100% irrelevant and a red herring. You're the one claiming the moral high ground by virtue of your faith.

If someone told me they were a reformed alcoholic but every time I saw them they had a beer in their mouth, I wouldn't take their "Gee, I really am a reformed alcoholic! I'm just not perfect... and YOU drink! I've seen you! So.. uhh.. you're just as bad as me! But I'm still reformed!" bit to heart.

A nice parallel to the justifications of terrorists who hide behind Islam.

"I may be a brutal murdering bigot, but it's in the name of Allah"

is just the same as

"I may be condemning others and judging their behaviour in direct conflict with Christ's teaching, but I am a Christian"

A Christian is a Christian (Good or bad)
A Muslim is a Muslim (Good or bad)
A terrorist is a terrorist (All bad)
A c[/i]unt is a c[i]unt (Hmmmm)

So, by your words, the answer to "What would Jesus do?" is "reinvent himself as a shock jock and spend his time swearing at and belittling people on the radio in order to share his message of peace and love." Just as he reacted to scorn in his life by swearing at the Pharisees, mocking the sinners, telling those who questioned his teachings to "GFY", etc.

Hrrmmm.... I'm just not seeing it.

I forgot you were so noble and the problem was with us rabble. Show us how to live, Stok. The forum turns its lonely eyes to you.

Edited, Wed Sep 22 17:08:38 2004 by Jophiel

I don't believe in Christianity, so I guess I'm fine!


This is terrible. I saw the first episode of "Do the Handicapped Go to Hell?" last week; now this thread is making me want to see the other half!

Not true.

I only rail against the conservatives to HELP them. I don't want to run them off. I want to enlighten them.

I employ false-arguments, name-calling, acting mad, acting nice...any method to get a person to understand a universal truth.

You say that I judged you? I only used your judgement on yourself to make you see how YOU treat people.

This personality that I weave here is an illusion. A figment that changes from moment to moment. The real PP is not only the most open-minded person you've ever met (to a fault actually), but I'm actually quite congenial and well-adjusted.

Go figure.

Oh and keep dancing, motherfu[u][/u]ckers!

Or am I just another Skeet sockpuppet?

Maybe he was referring to me calling Christians idiots...

Well you matter Joph. :P

I don't remember telling the "other side" not to post. But I reserve the right to tell them their opinions are bigoted, moralistic or just plain idiotic as the situation demands.

You completely remind me of my ex. She'd go on and on about how open minded she was. Then she'd saying something like there should be no religion, you'd point out the flaws in mandating an abolishment of religion and suddenly she was being oppresed because you weren't "respecting her opinion."

It'd be a real pain to get 11k posts on Caster's Realm at this late date.

As everyone has the right to tell your side the same thing Joph. Don't think that because people have a conservative set of values as their core, that they are not open to acceptance of things that have long been considered taboo.

Being a Christian Stok is something I would never condem. Infact I congratulate people who can still hold that title. I claim to be a Christian like so many but I have fallen so far from Grace just like everyone I know, it's a long way back up.
The two Omited books of Enoch, taken from the bible in the 12th century is what has bemused me. Once read some things that according to the bible today is sinning, is actually not.
Pope Alexander ordered the books destoyed then commited genecide against the Cathar monks, who still believed in the books.
No matter a persons religion I will never condem them nor preach to them. If agnostic, Jewish, Islamic, Buddist, Hinduist or indeed Christian you are entitled to them and I will not look upon anyone different because of what they believe.
People say Gay marriage is wrong, yet Fornication is mentioned in the bible 12 times, from the book of genesis to the book of revelations, as being punishable by damnaition. Now how many Virgin weddings are around nowadays.
If people think it wrong for Homosexual sinners to marry, why do they not protest against Heterosexual sinners?
Fact is religion will for ever cause arguements and even worse Wars. It takes people and not goverments to bridge those gaps and except everyone for whom they are. May take Time, but time lasts forever.

Not the right to marry who they want if the separation between church and state continues its regression from blurred to non-existent.


Are you really suggesting that people should conform to societies rules unquestioningly? Obviously they don't agree with them. So long to the teachings of Jesus, Martin Luther King Jr., Ghandi, and every other progressive teacher throughout history if that were the case.


Edited, Wed Sep 22 17:52:20 2004 by Mindspirals