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That argument is soo bulls[/u]hit.

It's not about the right to marry. It's about the right TO MARRY WHO YOU WANT.

Let's reverse the situation. What if you could only marry your same sex, but you were straight? Well, you could marry a guy, right?

As[u]shole.

Thats right, I forgot that Christians believe in "Guilty until proven innocent."



Judgmental, self-righteous, hypocritical.

Where the fu[/b]ck do [b]you live, Botswana? I thought we were talking about US politics.



You made a mistake there, buddy.

Someon who makes a conscious effort to live their life as Jesus Christ lived his and to remain devoted to his teachings in all aspects of their life.

Given your behavior on this forum, can you say "If Jesus visited here, he would act exactly as I have"? Or are you going to point to the last couple years and say "I'm not perfect" as if years of sexual innuendo, flames, cursing and the rest of it were one long accident or slip of faith?

Edit: Jesus never once mentioned homosexuality in the Gospels. He did, however, mention pre-martial sex. By preventing marriage among homosexuals, you are effectively forcing them to sin. I believe Jesus had some words to say about those who force others into sin as well

Edited, Wed Sep 22 16:02:00 2004 by Jophiel

Christians should not judge others.

I am not judging homosexuals, what I am saying is that they have all the rights guaranteed to any other citizen in this country all they have to do is conform to societies rules.

Jophiel - I would say that I was not perfect and have lived my life in an imperfect way.

And, since you have admitted this before and continue to do the same thing over and over without any repentance, that would show that you have no respect for Christ's teaching.

Would Jesus continue to frequent a place where he is constantly in sin?

Saying you're "not perfect" might sound completely noble in your ears but, judging from your actions, it's about as sincere as Swaggart crying crocodile tears on TV.

Why? What harm is done by giving a group of people, based on their sexual preference, the ability to marry one another? Why are you against an expansion of civil liberties? The current laws allow the right of marriage based on sexual preferance as well. You can make the extremely lame argument that gay men can still marry women, but I can just as easily argue that allowing gay marriage would allow my heterosexual self to marry another straight man if we found it in our best interests.

You have yet to say why you're specifically against gay marriage.

It's already illegal to discriminate against them in the workplace or when renting housing, etc. I have news for you... they're already a legally protected minority.

Edited, Wed Sep 22 16:18:16 2004 by Jophiel

I see you have no qualms of judging other people Jophiel.

Pot meet Kettle.

I do confess to be a Christian, I din't say that I was a perfect Christian. One of the things that happens when becoming a Christian is that you know that you realize you aren't perfect, but you are forgiven.

So, according to that, you can do any goddam thing you want, and know that it will be forgiven? That Christianity comes with a built-in "Get Out of Hell Free" card? Where do I sign up?

So far I've gotten that it's not about your religion and you're not against civil rights... you just think those sinful homos shouldn't benefit from an expansion of civil rights. Oh, and sex should only be for reproduction, except when you want to have recreational sex with your lawfully wedded spouse which homos aren't allowed to have.

Yeah.. that's secretly what I think but I can't can't admit it