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#27 Sep 21 2004 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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The diffrence beeing I cheer for the Red Sox becuase I want them to win. I think Kerry's most likely to win, and I happen to want him to win.


Ahh, so you don't think Boston's gonna win. At least you can be realistic about that...
#28 Sep 21 2004 at 12:16 PM Rating: Good
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I saw his Top Ten list on the net and laughed out loud at the Teresa Heinz-Kerry one. Sounded exactly like something Totem would say, only he'd be serious

It was pretty funny. he delivered the entire thing pretty well.
#29 Sep 21 2004 at 12:27 PM Rating: Good
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Off of CNN.com:

Kerry's "Top 10 Bush Tax Proposals" are:

10. No estate tax for families with at least two U.S. presidents.
9. W-2 Form is now Dubya-2 Form.
8. Under the simplified tax code, your refund check goes directly to Halliburton.
7. The reduced earned income tax credit is so unfair, it just makes me want to tear out my lustrous, finely groomed hair.
6. Attorney General (John) Ashcroft gets to write off the entire U.S. Constitution.
5. Texas Rangers can take a business loss for trading Sammy Sosa.
4. Eliminate all income taxes; just ask Teresa (Heinz Kerry) to cover the whole damn thing.
3. Cheney can claim Bush as a dependent.
2. Hundred-dollar penalty if you pronounce it "nuclear" instead of "nucular."
1. George W. Bush gets a deduction for mortgaging our entire future.

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#30 Sep 21 2004 at 12:32 PM Rating: Decent
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1. George W. Bush gets a deduction for mortgaging our entire future.


Ha ha ha aha ahahahaha....

oh wait....
#31 Sep 21 2004 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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what are you going to do if Kerry doesn't win the election?


I'm thinking Canada sounds nice...
#32 Sep 21 2004 at 7:19 PM Rating: Good
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Alex Baldwin, dat you?

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#33 Sep 21 2004 at 8:15 PM Rating: Decent
i could care less if kerry wins but i still stick with my philosophy of ANYONE BUT BUSH.
#34 Sep 21 2004 at 9:35 PM Rating: Decent
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I make no secret of the fact that I'm voting for Kerry (not that my vote matters much in Illinois)


Hey it could be worse. You could be here next door in Indiana.
#35 Sep 21 2004 at 9:40 PM Rating: Decent
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i could care less if kerry wins but i still stick with my philosophy of ANYONE BUT BUSH.


I'm honestly curious if you know anything about either canidate or you're just thinking what your parents told you to think. Now this really is an honest question. Do you know anything about either platform and their plans?

Same thing with the "Well, I HATE both of them but at least <canidate> is less of an idiot than the other." crowd. God those people **** me off, I've yet to find one of them that actually knows information about the canidates.
#36 Sep 21 2004 at 10:19 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm honestly curious if you know anything about either canidate or you're just thinking what your parents told you to think. Now this really is an honest question. Do you know anything about either platform and their plans?


Well my paretns are avid bush supporters so needless to say i dont vote how they tell me to.

I know about bush.....

He likes to make laws without regards to the constitution.

He delibertly lied in an attempt to justify a war with Iraq just so his oil companies can drill there.

He proposes breaking the separation of church and state part of the constitution.

He implemented tax cuts which the top 1% of the country got most of the benefits. He REWARDS companies though tax breaks to outsource jobs to other countries instead of keeping them in the united states.

For a man who stubbornly says that iraq has WMD's so we must disarm Saddam, yet I dont see him sending troops into N.Korea when its been proven that they actually do have WMD's.

He calls himself a compasionate conservative(I still don't know exaclty what that is) but its obvious he only has compasion for his rich, white, chirstian, buisness friends. He has deliberetly misrepresented economic facts to make it look like the economy is doing good where in reality its been very poor in his entire tenure in office.

He thinks he can tell a woman what to do with her body.

He has used fear of terroism for political gains by shifting the warning lvl as well as issuing warnings at convienent times (such as folling the DNC). He was in charge during one of the biggest security failures in united states history. Speaking of which. His entire republican national convention was used to gain political gain of one of the worst tragedies in United states history. This is the man that used the death of 3,000 innocent americans to gain votes. /em throws up. Some how He managed to gain world sympathy and yet thorw that entirely away in such a short period of time.

I do know that kerrys plans would bring jobs back to america And help the working class. Help the people who don't make much and really need the help. If you are making 500,000 dollars a year you really don't need tax cuts. I am sick of ppl like that whining because they pay more in taxes. Well duh they do make the most money. And even after taxes u still make a hell of a lot more money that 99% of america.



#37 Sep 21 2004 at 10:48 PM Rating: Good
So, what you're saying is you really don't know sh'it.
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He likes to make laws without regards to the constitution.

The President doesn't make laws, dumbass.
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He delibertly lied in an attempt to justify a war with Iraq just so his oil companies can drill there.

No he didn't. He upheld 14 UN Security Council resolutions and ousted a dictator who had flaunted his disregard for international law and gassed his own people.
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For a man who stubbornly says that iraq has WMD's so we must disarm Saddam, yet I dont see him sending troops into N.Korea when its been proven that they actually do have WMD's.

It's an entirely different situation, infant. Send troops in to N.K. and an artillery barrage to dwarf the second world war destroys Seoul.

The rest of your positions are bullsh'it, too, but I won't go through them because I am only allowed 5 quotes. This is a gem though...
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I do know that kerrys plans would bring jobs back to america And help the working class.

How? By lowering the wage they pay the workers so that the companies can stay competetive globally with those that are able to use the $0.50 a day child labor in Malaysia? Nice thought process there, genius.
#38 Sep 21 2004 at 11:00 PM Rating: Good
I still like this suggestion I think I heard previously on Leno. Kerry should stop all his campaigning and then the day before the election run this one ad:

"My fellow americans. I didn't want it to come to this, but...if you don't vote for me...no more ketchup!"

DK
#39 Sep 22 2004 at 1:05 AM Rating: Decent
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How? By lowering the wage they pay the workers so that the companies can stay competetive globally with those that are able to use the $0.50 a day child labor in Malaysia? Nice thought process there, genius.



Remember FRee enterprise unchecked is a really bad thing.

no i say by financialy punishing the companies that go over seas. Heavy heavy tarifs to the point wher it owuld be less expensive to just stay here therefore creating new jobs. You gotta create insentives to stay here. Why should our companies employ the rest of the world before americans here at home. We need these jobs.


[/quote]It's an entirely different situation[/quote]

This situation is the exact same. (of course i'm assuming that they really though saddam had WMD's available)

How, if you really fear a nuclear attack upon going into kroea then the same logic couldve been argued when going into irarq. The only way we could be sure that that wouldn't happen is if they specifcially knew before hand that irarq did not possess WMD's therefore negating any legitimate reason for the "war" and actually it isn't even a war its a military action people can't seem to understand this. The last War we had was WWII. (only congress has the power to declare war)

So we spent 1,000 + lives freeing a country that didn't wanna be freed in the first place... that makes no logicall sense what so ever.

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The President doesn't make laws, dumbass.


ok this was bad wording on my part. He issues executive orders and his party proposes constitutional amendments that violate the constitution. Not to mention appoint john ashcroft as attorny general. A man who wipes his *** with the constitution.
#40 Sep 22 2004 at 1:54 AM Rating: Good
Aside from the fact that you make no sense when you type, the occasional coherant thought you have makes no sense at all.

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Heavy heavy tarifs to the point wher it owuld be less expensive to just stay here therefore creating new jobs. You gotta create insentives to stay here.

If a company can't compete on a global stage because its labor is too expensive, how is forcing it to stay here and decimate its labor force going to create jobs? Oh, wait. You, in your myopic little world view, didn't think about that. Tax breaks and incentives to make them more competative you say? Ever hear of the WTO? You know, that global organization that allows countries to tax the bejeezus out of each other if their industry receives too much government aid. Nice try.
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This situation is the exact same. (of course i'm assuming that they really though saddam had WMD's available)

We don't really think N.K. is stupid enough to use its supposed 2 or 3 nukes. They aren't that stupid. You, apparantly, have no f'ucking clue what I am talking about here though. There is more artillery (you know, conventional bombs shot out of the barrel of a really big gun, like a tank has only bigger) trained on South Korea than you can even conceive of. The biggest threat is that within minutes, NK could obliterate Seoul without even needing to arm their supposed nukes. It's an entirely different situation.
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ok this was bad wording on my part. He issues executive orders and his party proposes constitutional amendments that violate the constitution. Not to mention appoint john ashcroft as attorny general. A man who wipes his *** with the constitution.

All presidents issue executive orders to get around congress. The simple fact that you don't understand the constitution doesn't mean Mr. Ashcroft wipes his *** with it. Nor does it mean that a constitutional ammendment defining marriage is against it.

When you get to the 9th grade, and you take your next history class, open the book and use it as something other than a ***** recepticle for those home room rub outs. You may find some decent information in there.
#41 Sep 22 2004 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
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All presidents issue executive orders to get around congress. The simple fact that you don't understand the constitution doesn't mean Mr. Ashcroft wipes his *** with it. Nor does it mean that a constitutional ammendment defining marriage is against it.


Actually an amendment banning gay marrage IS by nature discriminatory which goes against the spirit of the constituion making such an amendment itself unconstitutional.

as far as ashcroft goes have you read the patriot act. Cause there are parts in there that frighten me. That bill IS ashcroft pissing on the constitiution. And would you care to explain how an AMERICAN CITIZEN can be held 2 years without a trial or legal access without violating the constitution.

for more info check out

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If a company can't compete on a global stage because its labor is too expensive, how is forcing it to stay here and decimate its labor force going to create jobs?


Well **** the global economy what we need to do is keep jobs at home. Wake up. Outsorcing jobs is BAD for our country.

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It's an entirely different situation.


Your right. Bush could care less about N. Korea. He was looking for ANY reason no matter how small to invade Iraq. So he sent 1000 + U.S troops to their deaths over oil and to free a country that DOESN'T WANT to be freed in the firstplace.






#42 Sep 22 2004 at 8:37 AM Rating: Decent
Well @#%^ the global economy what we need to do is keep jobs at home. Wake up. Outsorcing jobs is BAD for our country.

We really don't WANT to do that. The very best thing we can do for ourselves is to propogate a global economy.
#43 Sep 22 2004 at 9:35 AM Rating: Decent
Pieman you really have no clue what you are talking about.

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Your right. Bush could care less about N. Korea. He was looking for ANY reason no matter how small to invade Iraq. So he sent 1000 + U.S troops to their deaths over oil and to free a country that DOESN'T WANT to be freed in the firstplace.


North Korea is a failed state in the last thoes of death. There are countries surrounding NK that can apply pressure to NK (ie China, Japan, Russia.) to get that country to give up her hard line stance. Besides isnt GWB doing exactly what the Dems would want? Using Diplomacy? The democrats howled when GWB "unilaterally attacked Iraq without allowing the diplomatic process to run it's course". NK cant feed it's people and it cannot sustain it's military without the help of the aforementioned countries. Primarily China.

Iraq is a totally different situation. There are no countries there that could apply diplomatic pressure to Iraq. Certainly the UN couldnt. They proved that over 12 years of failed sanctions. Besides the fact that the people in the UN running that show were taking money from Saddam. There is evidence that Saddam was funneling money from the Oil for Food program into terrorist organizations. He certainly wasnt using it to buy food and medication for the Iraqi people.

The people of Iraq most definitly wanted to be rid of Saddam. Believe me I was there and I saw it first hand. The vast Majority of Iraqi's are glad and very appreciative that the US ousted Saddam and freed their country. The fact that a small sect of the country (and alot of the people fighting are not even Iraqi's) is resisting and are able to grab all the media attention doesnt by any means illistrate how the majority of the country is doing. Notice you dont see any reports coming from the north and the south of the country. Just a few areas in the Sunni triangle. That's because by and large the north and south now live in peace and freedom.

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as far as ashcroft goes have you read the patriot act. Cause there are parts in there that frighten me. That bill IS ashcroft pissing on the constitiution. And would you care to explain how an AMERICAN CITIZEN can be held 2 years without a trial or legal access without violating the constitution.


Again as Mob stated the congress passes the laws. Neither President Bush or John Ashcroft has the power do enact this act. It's all a part of this thing called seperation of powers.

And just a bit of information heres the link for the voting on the Patriot act. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00313

Notice your boy Kerry and just about all the other Dems voted for it. So I guess Sen Kerry used the stall right after Mr Ashcroft to "wipe his *** with the Constitution".

#44 Sep 22 2004 at 10:02 AM Rating: Decent
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Actually an amendment banning gay marrage IS by nature discriminatory which goes against the spirit of the constituion making such an amendment itself unconstitutional.


Gays can marry and have always been able to do so with a person of the opposite sex, not the same sex.
#45 Sep 22 2004 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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Actually an amendment banning gay marrage IS by nature discriminatory which goes against the spirit of the constituion making such an amendment itself unconstitutional.


Gays can marry and have always been able to do so with a person of the opposite sex, not the same sex.


Following this logic, we could ban interracial marraiges also, so long as we gave people the option to marry 'someone', we aren't discriminating.
#46 Sep 22 2004 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Following this logic, we could ban interracial marraiges also, so long as we gave people the option to marry 'someone', we aren't discriminating.


Not really, the last time I looked at my wife she was a woman, but she is a different race than I am. See follow the bouncing ball here. Black man marries white woman, White man marries Asian woman, white man marries white woman, so this is fine because one is male and one is female. Where as white man marries white man... the two are the same sex, the plumbing does not match up.

In our next lesson we can discuss where your ****** is supposed to go and not supposed to go.
#47 Sep 22 2004 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
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Not really, the last time I looked at my wife she was a woman, but she is a different race than I am.


Which was illegal for decades following the same logic as the gay marrige debate.
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#48 Sep 22 2004 at 10:26 AM Rating: Good
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Kick ***. We needed a new gay marriage thread.

SLIPPERY SLOPE!!!!
OMG!!! SLIPPERY SLOPEE!!!!!!


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#49 Sep 22 2004 at 10:30 AM Rating: Decent
Oh come on Smash skin pigmentation and which hole someone sticks their **** into are completely different. Interracial marriage was discriminatory based on cultural differences of racial equality. Homosexuality is not a race it is a physical attraction or infatuation with a person of the same sex.

We are not comparing apples to apples here. Your arguement is as erroneous as mine is about polygamy being allowed if gay marriage is.
#50 Sep 22 2004 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
In our next lesson we can discuss where your ****** is supposed to go and not supposed to go.

Oddly enough, I probably have 200gb of video footage that proves you can put it most anywhere.
#51 Sep 22 2004 at 10:33 AM Rating: Good
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Oh come on Smash skin pigmentation and which hole someone sticks their @#%^ into are completely different
I assume you mean the gender of the person's hole unless you advocate outlawing **** sex again.

Polygamy??? OMG!!!
SLIPPERY SLOPEEEEE!!!!!
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