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Don't know if this is true or not, but I think it's kinda sad that you could fire someone over a bumper sticker.
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This establishment does not serve women. You must bring your own.
This establishment does not serve women. You must bring your own.
Rest assure that companies who hire and fire someone for something they do on thier OWN free time will be facing massive lawsuits for wrongful termination.
I could actually burn Bush in ephigy(sp?) and as long as i didn't do or say anything while on the clock or in uniform, or on the premisis of work, theres not a damn thing they can do to me.
I could actually burn Bush in ephigy(sp?) and as long as i didn't do or say anything while on the clock or in uniform, or on the premisis of work, theres not a damn thing they can do to me.
I'm in a Union as long as I am good at work I'm untouchable.
actually no they can't, They tried firing people simply because they didn't like someone and it caused all sorts of trouble.
You have to have a legally acceptable reason such as being a horrible person at your job. Because they can say that whether its true you have to be able to prove that the person was doing below quality work.
Edited, Thu Sep 16 14:33:59 2004 by PieMan
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they can legaly fire you any time for no reason at all.
actually no they can't, They tried firing people simply because they didn't like someone and it caused all sorts of trouble.
You have to have a legally acceptable reason such as being a horrible person at your job. Because they can say that whether its true you have to be able to prove that the person was doing below quality work.
Edited, Thu Sep 16 14:33:59 2004 by PieMan
double post srry
/slaps self
Edited, Thu Sep 16 14:42:53 2004 by StellarWinter
/slaps self
Edited, Thu Sep 16 14:42:53 2004 by StellarWinter
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I'm in a Union as long as I am good at work I'm untouchable.
Even if you are horrible at your job you would still keep it. Ask any teacher.
I don't understand why having a job to support yourself should automatically disqualify you from having a political opinion.
Ive heard countless arguments from conservatives that all the "hippy liberal bush protesters" should all go out and get jobs. Well perhaps they did have jobs but got fired for protesting the president. I see a distrubing circle going on here.
That would infact be infriging upon someone elses civil rights.
I understand if they did it on company time but for doing it on thier own time.
Ive heard countless arguments from conservatives that all the "hippy liberal bush protesters" should all go out and get jobs. Well perhaps they did have jobs but got fired for protesting the president. I see a distrubing circle going on here.
That would infact be infriging upon someone elses civil rights.
I understand if they did it on company time but for doing it on thier own time.
Eh, thats free enterprise. People can hire and fire you for whatever reason they want. Who cares?
HeresJohnny wrote:
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Don't know if this is true or not, but I think it's kinda sad that you could fire someone over a bumper sticker.
Don't know if this is true or not, but I think it's kinda sad that you could fire someone over a bumper sticker.
possibly in situations that could result in unwanted endorsement by the company. Situation like my father owns a company and doesnt want to have anyone that is working for him to have stickers that show partisanship of the company. Businesses would rather keep neutrality to not lose customers
I will agree that some situations it warrents firing such as.
Your putting bumperstickers on your car that promote a competing buisness.
A) political bumperstickres when you are involved in a campaign well why would u have bumper stickers for the opposing campaign anyway.
You activily preach to other co works on the job about who to vote for. This causes trouble in the workplace and warrents it.
However you should be free to voice your political opinions on your own free time thats what this country was about.
The ability to voice your opinion without fear of retaliation.
If i wanna go burn the flag in protest i shouldn't have to fear for my job becasue i chose to do something on my free time. There's 2 separate places. The job and your personal time.
Your putting bumperstickers on your car that promote a competing buisness.
A) political bumperstickres when you are involved in a campaign well why would u have bumper stickers for the opposing campaign anyway.
You activily preach to other co works on the job about who to vote for. This causes trouble in the workplace and warrents it.
However you should be free to voice your political opinions on your own free time thats what this country was about.
The ability to voice your opinion without fear of retaliation.
If i wanna go burn the flag in protest i shouldn't have to fear for my job becasue i chose to do something on my free time. There's 2 separate places. The job and your personal time.
PieMan wrote:
If i wanna go burn the flag in protest i shouldn't have to fear for my job becasue i chose to do something on my free time. There's 2 separate places. The job and your personal time.
Unless you are in the military like myself
There's a whole world of ******** out there.
The best part of the story is where John Kerry called up and gave her a job. Good press cause it has a ring of class to it.
The best part of the story is where John Kerry called up and gave her a job. Good press cause it has a ring of class to it.
TStephens wrote:
There's a whole world of ******** out there.
The best part of the story is where John Kerry called up and gave her a job. Good press cause it has a ring of class to it.
The best part of the story is where John Kerry called up and gave her a job. Good press cause it has a ring of class to it.
I would call him an oppurtunist
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People can hire and fire you for whatever reason they want. Who cares?
What kind of dipsh[i][/i]it statement was that? Of course I'm going to care if I get fired for what I do to my own private property (my car), especially something as innoculous as a bumper sticker.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
In the UK it would be illegal and result in a large pay out to the person involved.
This even applies to our less savory political parties like the BNP <Closet Neo ****'s>
So long as the person does not let his private activities effect his work they can't touch him.
he may however get a crappy job evaluation and fired that way.
This even applies to our less savory political parties like the BNP <Closet Neo ****'s>
So long as the person does not let his private activities effect his work they can't touch him.
he may however get a crappy job evaluation and fired that way.
I read somewhere that many people are fighting "at will" employment in several states.
It's clearly more "free enterprise" run amok.
It's clearly more "free enterprise" run amok.
Obvious if you join the military then you are representing the United states.
But if you join the military why WOULD you burn a flag.
I'm talking about private sector jobs.
free enterprise causes soooooooooo many more problems in this country.
and like i said the first amendment infers the right to free speech without fear of retaliation.
But if you join the military why WOULD you burn a flag.
I'm talking about private sector jobs.
free enterprise causes soooooooooo many more problems in this country.
and like i said the first amendment infers the right to free speech without fear of retaliation.
Jophiel wrote:
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People can hire and fire you for whatever reason they want. Who cares?
What kind of dipsh[i][/i]it statement was that? Of course I'm going to care if I get fired for what I do to my own private property (my car), especially something as innoculous as a bumper sticker.
That may be, but as long as you're not self employed you don't call the shots.
Imagine this situation. Your boss is an avid avid Kerry backer and you have a Bush bumper sticker. Okay, follow me here..
Let's say you don't show up to work on time or you Eff up real bad one day and deserve to be fired. Okay, so your boss fires you.. Then, you turn around and blame him for firing you for political reasons. So, you see there are no real answers to the situation other than to leave it be. It's not like they need ot have a law gauranteeing you a job no matter what. The system is fine just the way it is.
PieMan wrote:
Obvious if you join the military then you are representing the United states.
But if you join the military why WOULD you burn a flag.
I'm talking about private sector jobs.
free enterprise causes soooooooooo many more problems in this country.
and like i said the first amendment infers the right to free speech without fear of retaliation.
But if you join the military why WOULD you burn a flag.
I'm talking about private sector jobs.
free enterprise causes soooooooooo many more problems in this country.
and like i said the first amendment infers the right to free speech without fear of retaliation.
THE STATE will not pass a law.... blah blah blah.. Doesnt say anything about your employer gauranteeing anything. Otherwise, we'd have Janitors walking into schools with guns because they have the right to.. Come on man, think before you speak.
Yeah, the private sector is so evil, how dare they employ people! Those evil corporations!
If she was fired for ******** up, you might have a point. But she wasn't so you don't except to claim that laws protecting people can be abused. By which standard we should get rid of all anti-discrimination laws because, if I ever get fired, I might claim it was because I wouldn't have sex with my supervisors.
No, you're not guaranteed a job no matter what. You should, however, have some assurance that your job status will relate to things like your job performance or the economy and not what bumper stickers you put on your car.
Actually, I'm not even advocating a change to the law or whatever. I do think that saying "Gee, you can be fired at any time for any non-work related reason.. who cares?" is an exceptionally moronic thing to say.
No, you're not guaranteed a job no matter what. You should, however, have some assurance that your job status will relate to things like your job performance or the economy and not what bumper stickers you put on your car.
Actually, I'm not even advocating a change to the law or whatever. I do think that saying "Gee, you can be fired at any time for any non-work related reason.. who cares?" is an exceptionally moronic thing to say.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Jophiel wrote:
If she was fired for ******** up, you might have a point. But she wasn't so you don't except to claim that laws protecting people can be abused. By which standard we should get rid of all anti-discrimination laws because, if I ever get fired, I might claim it was because I wouldn't have sex with my supervisors.
No, you're not guaranteed a job no matter what. You should, however, have some assurance that your job status will relate to things like your job performance or the economy and not what bumper stickers you put on your car.
Actually, I'm not even advocating a change to the law or whatever. I do think that saying "Gee, you can be fired at any time for any non-work related reason.. who cares?" is an exceptionally moronic thing to say.
No, you're not guaranteed a job no matter what. You should, however, have some assurance that your job status will relate to things like your job performance or the economy and not what bumper stickers you put on your car.
Actually, I'm not even advocating a change to the law or whatever. I do think that saying "Gee, you can be fired at any time for any non-work related reason.. who cares?" is an exceptionally moronic thing to say.
The beauty of the private sector is that it works both ways. This guy is now all over his local news for firing someone over something silly. I'm sure he'll have great responses to his help wanted ads in the paper now.... See what I mean? Oh, and i do think some discrimination laws are lame. They get more abuse than legitimate use nowadays. CYOA
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I'm sure he'll have great responses to his help wanted ads in the paper now
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Yeah people do seem to have the atention span of aquarium fish nowadays... Tis sad.
Wha?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I love to hear the conservatives say well a job is not a guaranteed right. If this is a case then stop complaining about people living off welfare. You tell them to get jobs and not use welfare system then fire them for protesting the president. WTF do you expect them to do.
I never said you shouldn't get fired for political reasons. If you go around campaigning around your office then its perfectly reasonable to be fired for that. What i said was you shouldn't be fired for protesting on time that is not the companies. free country means when ur on your own time you are free to voice your opinions. If I'm not on the clock, on company property or in uniform, then my employer has NO RIGHT to care about what i do.
I never said you shouldn't get fired for political reasons. If you go around campaigning around your office then its perfectly reasonable to be fired for that. What i said was you shouldn't be fired for protesting on time that is not the companies. free country means when ur on your own time you are free to voice your opinions. If I'm not on the clock, on company property or in uniform, then my employer has NO RIGHT to care about what i do.
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