So I got a DUI last night...Follow

Where at in Colorado did you get pulled over? You know they changed the drinking limit as well don't ya?

You did not ***** up because you got "caught" you screwed up because you were drinking and driving. I lost a friend in a motor vehicle accident where the other party only had a "few drinks".

You were obviously drunk enough for the cops to notice and pull you over, and drunk enough to fail the sobriety test.

Everyone drinks and drives sometime.

You guys calling Kakar a dumbass are hypocrites and you know it.

I'm not condoning it. I'm just saying...I think he knew it was a dumbass move when he saw the blue lights and it was further drilled into him when he had to sit in jail. So, I guess he should thank you for reminding him. Asses.

Totem, I'm SURE you were completely sober when you left SF Brewing Co. the other night, weren't you?

/raises hand

Not true. I have stated on occasion that I engage in the same activity. That he is a dumbass doesn't make me less of one when I do the same thing.

He, however, is a dumbass on many levels. A) He drank and drove, B) he got caught and C) he decided to share.

Dumbass.

And by the way, Pickle, quit looking at our asses.

You are really having trouble seeing anything outside your personal point of view, aren't you?

There are thousands of people in this country who do not own cars, may or may not have driver's licenses, who lead normal lives.

If you'd find yourself unable to function without your vehicle and license, by all means, don't do anything to jeopardize them, but don't insist they're vital to everyone's survival.

We've become so used to our luxuries we begin to see them as necessities.

No, not everyone drinks and drives.

Some people don't even drink.


Just so ya know...

Who are these people of which you speak? We must round them up and force them to consume alcohol. They are destroying the very fiber of our society.

I lived in Napa, CA. If you have any concern about drunk drivers, stay the f'uck out of dodge any day that a winery is open, or drive a big truck so you can navigate through the vinyards when swerving to avoid the long line of drunks going in both directions on either side of the valley.

Some people drink and drive out of stupidity, some out of drunkenness and some out of sheer necessity. Back then if I hadn't driven drunk I would never have gotten home from work.

Actually, pickle, when we left SFBC, we all walked up Columbus, where we left you and Em at that little restaurant. Jess and I kept walking to go get some ice cream and coffee. If you remember back, you'll remember we did not have our helmets in hand. Why? Because I was allowing for enough time to elapse to ensure that I was well below the limit. Factoring in an hour per beer, I gave it another hour before I put the key into the ignition.

I, more than most or possibly all of you, have more to lose if I get pulled over for drinking and driving. The FAA will suspend my flying license-- also a privilege from the gubbment, Pieman --and my employer will fire me for cause. It's not a mere $10,000 out of my pocket for legal expenses, fines, insurance, and court costs, but rather my entire livelihood. So trust me, I am well aware of what my limits are.

In the end, I have sympathy for Kamar, because I too, in the past, have rolled the dice and assumed that I wouldn't get caught. But as an older and wiser man, I recognise the risk/reward issue is so out of balance that the inconvenience of calling a cab, hanging out for a couple of hours, or going to see a movie instead of hitting the bar is a far better choice. It doesn't change the fact he is a dumba$$-- just as I was when I did it --and when anyone thinks it through it is unforgivably wrong in that you are intentionally endangering others by your actions.

Totem

Except you don't get a DUI and lose your license when caught driving while high.

Thats ridiculus its a fact that refusing to testify when ur on trial is not an admision of guilt. One could then theoretically argue that that same principal pertains to taking drug tests. Your refusal to take a test should not be an admission of guilt.

Please dont reply stating the laws cause i know that you can get ur license suspended for refusing I'm just discussing theory here.

Again, Pieman, you are confusing two separate issues. In a trial, you, as the defendant, have rights. As a driver, you have privileges. Now if court was held in an Econoline van and you were driving, maybe you'd have a point. But since it's not, you don't.

Make sense?

Totem

Edited, Tue Sep 14 01:03:26 2004 by Totem

That was a good post Totem. I think you nailed it with risk vs. reward.

How many drunk drivers would there be if The State cut their hands off after being found guilty? How many repeat offenders would there be? Fear....it's good for you baby.


"Fear will keep them in line." --The Honorable Grand Moff Tarkin