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#27 Sep 14 2004 at 7:39 PM Rating: Decent
varrussword wrote:
Dan,

You didn't like my comparative analogy? What gives.

Oh I know you prefer the baseless claims like the following, which I was making fun of:

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As it stands, the war in Iraq has little to do with 9/11 and is creating more terrorism


You don't really think that Saddam and Iraq have nothing to do with islamic terrorism do you? And seeing how Iraq was viewed by most muslims as the david to the u.s. goliath they obviously weren't a good target.

Varus

Edited, Tue Sep 14 17:59:48 2004 by varrussword


All i can say in the matter is that I personally do not have the assests to find out the facts or not. Our government set up a commission to find out everything about 9/11 and I would assume that their findings are more valid than anyone elses. According to the September 11 report they could not find and specific evidence of immediate collaboration between Iraq and al Qaeda for the 9/11 attack. But they did find a lot more extensive ties than most critics would have you believe. On page 61 it states that "Bin Ladin himself met with senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons." and:

In March 1998, after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In July, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin. Sources reported that one, or perhaps both, of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy, Zawahiri, who had ties of his own to the Iraqis. (p.66)

Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban. According to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative. The reports describe friendly contacts and indicate some common themes in both sides’ hatred of the United States(p.66)


And, on July 7, 2004, the Senate Intelligence Committee reported:


- That George Tenet provided the Senate Intelligence Committee this assessment in a closed session on September 17, 2002: “There is evidence that Iraq provided al Qaeda with various kinds of training--combat, bomb-making, [chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear] CBRN. Although Saddam did not endorse al Qaeda’s overall agenda and was suspicious of Islamist movements in general, he was apparently not averse, under certain circumstances, to enhancing bin Laden’s operational capabilities. As with much of the information on the overall relationship, details on training are [redacted] from sources of varying reliability.”
- That according to a CIA report called Iraqi Support for Terrorism, “the general pattern that emerges is one of al Qaeda’s enduring interest in acquiring chemical, biological, radiological and nuclear (CBRN) expertise from Iraq.”
- That the Iraqi regime ‘certainly’ had knowledge that Abu Musab al Zarqawi – described in Iraqi Support for Terrorism as “a senior al Qaeda terrorist planner” – was operating in Baghdad and northern Iraq.



I apologize for the long post. But I know that people would not believe me if I had just said they were connected
#28 Sep 14 2004 at 8:14 PM Rating: Default
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1000 lifes over 2 years isn't worth the fight to prevent another 911 where over 3000 were murdered in one day, mind you the victims were non-combatants.



As opposed to american acts of terrorism through out history.


Hiroshima and Nagasaki. god only knows how many died there.

please dont say its differetn cause we were at war. A city full of civilians is still a city full of civilians. They were japanese cities, I don't know one populated city that doesn't have civilians. So yes we knew that innocent japanese civilians were going to die but we still did it anyway. And regarding the decision to drop the bombs. We were hoping to scare japan into surrendering which is exaclty what happened.

By definition using violence to scare someone into doing something is an act of terrorism. Thats exaclty what america did.

Civilan loss from those 2 bombs were at least 10x that of september 11.


I'm shocked at the attitude that its ok when america does it.
#29 Sep 14 2004 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
I demand a recount!
#30 Sep 14 2004 at 9:27 PM Rating: Decent
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you want to fight terrorism world wide? how much cooperation do you think you can illicet from other countries if they do not trust or even like you?


They liked us before Bush started fighting back. Look where that got us with them.
#31 Sep 14 2004 at 11:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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"I'm shocked at the attitude that its ok when america does it." --Pieman

Heheh, hohoho, HAHAHAHAHA! Oh, the naivete'! The Pollyanna world view!

Of course it's OK when America does it. That's because we are the sole superpower, the Big Kahuna, the whole enchilada (that's Gitslayer-speak for being the world's bully). We have or will McDominate you with J-Lo, Britney Spears, or William Hung. We will forcefeed you Fords and Chevys until you puke.

At what point did you fall asleep during Civics class?

Totem
#32 Sep 15 2004 at 12:44 AM Rating: Default
its *** ******* like you totem that give this country a bad image. You condemn acts of terrorism against us but you fully support acts of terrorism when done by america. Get your head out of you *** you hippocritical ******
#33 Sep 15 2004 at 12:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lol, you have a latent homosexual streak surfacing, Pieman?

What acts of terrorism has the United States committed? Please don't tell me that war is your definition of terrorism, Li'l Bo Peep. Please don't tell me you really are that naive.

What's that I just heard? Huh, I think it was a school bell ringing! You'd best run along, Bo Peep-- your sensitivity class just started, heh.

Totem
#34 Sep 15 2004 at 1:06 AM Rating: Good
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Whew Totem i think you got him all hot and bothered.

Edited, Wed Sep 15 02:09:18 2004 by bhodisattva
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#35 Sep 15 2004 at 1:19 AM Rating: Good
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I think he is projecting lustful thoughts of Angry Hippo on me, Bhod. Close analysis of his post reveals the typewritten Fruedian slip "hippocritical ******." Poor Angry. He has sphincter wranglers across the internet frantically flogging themselves raw from their overheated imaginations.

Totem
#36 Sep 15 2004 at 1:23 AM Rating: Good
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The whole asking to "pull head out of ***" part was setting of warning bells.

Hope AH doesnt find out about GHB or ruffies the hard way.
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