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#1 Sep 02 2004 at 6:53 AM Rating: Decent

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William Saletan wrote:

In a democracy, the commander in chief works for you. You hire him when you elect him. You watch him do the job. If he makes good decisions and serves your interests, you rehire him. If he doesn't, you fire him by voting for his opponent in the next election.

Not every country works this way. In some countries, the commander in chief builds a propaganda apparatus that equates him with the military and the nation. If you object that he's making bad decisions and disserving the national interest, you're accused of weakening the nation, undermining its security, sabotaging the commander in chief, and serving a foreign power—the very charges Miller leveled tonight against Bush's critics.

Are you prepared to become one of those countries?

#2 Sep 02 2004 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent

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Boy, did I read that wrong...

Meadros wrote:

William Shatner wrote:

In, a democracy... the commander in chief... works for you. You hire him, when you elect him. You, watch him... do the job. If he makes... good decisions and serves, your interests, you rehire him. If he doesn't, you fire him... by voting, for his opponent, in the next election.

KHAAANNN!!!!

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#3 Sep 02 2004 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good

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I can write slanted material and post in on the internet too. That doesn't make it any more credible.

Twiztid

Edit: Cuz i kant spel

Edited, Thu Sep 2 10:14:14 2004 by TwiztidSamurai

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#4 Sep 02 2004 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good

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Edit: Cuz i kant spel

Then you can't get very far writing slanted material, can you?

The jingoistic right has been saying since 9/11 that if you disagree with Bush, you hate America, hate our troops, want our boys to die and pinko Muslim communist ***** to take over the world, etc. Mr. Saletan is saying what everyone else has been saying for year: if citizens are not allowed to express their unhappiness with their elected officals, then democracy itself is at risk.

Neither side is anything new.

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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#5 Sep 02 2004 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good

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The jingoistic right has been saying since 9/11 that if you disagree with Bush, you hate America, hate our troops, want our boys to die and pinko Muslim communist ***** to take over the world, etc. Mr. Saletan is saying what everyone else has been saying for year: if citizens are not allowed to express their unhappiness with their elected officals, then democracy itself is at risk.

You're trying to become an overbearing liberal whiney ***** just to prove me wrong, aren't you?

#6 Sep 02 2004 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent

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You're trying to become an overbearing liberal whiney ***** just to prove me wrong, aren't you?

Opposing the people who say that opposing bush becomes unpatriotic becomes whiney and ***** like

#7 Sep 02 2004 at 9:35 AM Rating: Good

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You're trying to become an overbearing liberal whiney ***** just to prove me wrong, aren't you?

What part of that was false?

The jingoistic right (by which I don't mean all Republicans in the country) have been using the "What? You think Bush was wrong to [do this]? So I guess you just love Saddam and want our troops to be defeated so you can say you were right! Why don't you move to France you spineless weakling while us real men fight for freedom!" any time Bush's capabilities or motives are questioned.

Likewise, others (mainly on the left) have been looking at the right and saying "WTF? Can you talk about the issues without wrapping a flag around yourself and chanting 'You hate America!'?"

Regardless of whether you believe the right is wrong to say what they do as a response to criticism or whether you believe that they have just as much right to say it as the Left does their piece, you really can't deny that the same drama's been going on for three years now.

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Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.

#8 Sep 02 2004 at 9:38 AM Rating: Good

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What part of that was false?

Oh, for f'uck's sake, Jophiel. You know precisely what I was referring to, and that was funny, damnit. See how often I try to be amusing in the morning any more. Now you got me all butt hurt for entirely missing the point.

#9 Sep 02 2004 at 9:40 AM Rating: Good

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Heh.. you're never nice to me so I don't know whan you're joking Smiley: grin

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#10 Sep 02 2004 at 9:50 AM Rating: Decent

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Stok, we've got a caffeine depletion emergency.

Let's get the driplines going. STAT!

#11 Sep 02 2004 at 9:55 AM Rating: Decent

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Jophed wrote:

the right is wrong

What a beautiful turn of phrase! Not in a political sense, but a semantic.

#12 Sep 02 2004 at 10:00 AM Rating: Good

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Stok, we've got a caffeine depletion emergency.

I am now back in my cubicle, staring blankly at my monitor in the process of ingesting 6 shots of espresso.

Carry on.

I expect a little tongue after this, but I respect you more than most of the liberals here, Joph.

#13 Sep 02 2004 at 10:01 AM Rating: Decent

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I am now back in my cubicle

/sheds a tear

#14 Sep 02 2004 at 12:56 PM Rating: Decent

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the right is wrong

The left is right.

Up is down.

Down is light.

Light is dark.

Dark is sight.

Sight is blind.

Blind as night.

#15 Sep 02 2004 at 1:26 PM Rating: Good

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If Moe has six shots of espresso then all is right with the universe once again... we now return you to the scheduled rhetoric.

** Damn I need 6 shots of espresso now - /Yawn.

Edited, Thu Sep 2 14:27:22 2004 by Stok

#16 Sep 03 2004 at 12:49 AM Rating: Default

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Since when does questioning ones leader become Unpatriotic. Thats party of democracy and free speech, the right to question your leader. I say if ur not questioning ur leader then your not doing ur patriotic duty.

#17 Sep 03 2004 at 1:10 AM Rating: Decent

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I've never questioned, bush. I've had some questionable bush in my early twenties, but that's another story completely.

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#18 Sep 03 2004 at 1:21 AM Rating: Good

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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

- Theodore Roosevelt

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