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#27 Sep 01 2004 at 10:09 AM Rating: Good
I dunno. People are idiots and I don't understand em. That's why I contend that the polls are garbage and I refuse to even try to predict a winner.

In this country, we'd rather see a fight over who really won than a clear-cut winner, anyway. It's a hell of a lot more interesting, no matter who 'lost', it' still arguable years later, and we know that they're both incompetent anyway.


Hmm, maybe I do understand more than I thought...
#28 Sep 01 2004 at 10:13 AM Rating: Default
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Good point, I guess that's why Bush Sr. and Dole both beat out Clinton.


Actually Clinton ,during his term, had more military engagements overseas than Bush Sr.

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#29 Sep 01 2004 at 10:14 AM Rating: Default
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Actually Clinton ,during his term, had more military engagements overseas than Bush Sr.


I guess the voters in '92 looked into the future using the technology from the Roswell aliens to figure that out before electing Clinton.
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#30 Sep 01 2004 at 10:15 AM Rating: Good
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Im Sorry Varrus but thats just BS

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ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Aug. 26-29, 2004. N=945 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS Intersearch.

"What will be the single most important issue in your vote for president this year: the U.S. campaign against terrorism, the war in Iraq, the economy and jobs, education, health care, or something else?" Items rotated

%
The economy and jobs 31
Iraq 19
Campaign against terrorism 19
Health care 12
Education 6
Other 11
No opinion 2


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CBS News Poll. Aug. 15-18, 2004. N=835 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

"Which ONE issue would you most like to hear the candidates for president discuss during the 2004 presidential campaign?"

%
Economy/Jobs 24
War in Iraq 20
Health care/Medicare/Medicaid 12
Education 5
Terrorism (general) 5
Defense/Military 4
Taxes/IRS 3
Other 19
Don't know 8



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Time Poll conducted SRBI Public Affairs. Aug. 3-5, 2004. N=976 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.


"Which of the following issues is most important to you in deciding how you might vote for president in November? . . ."

%
The economy 27
The situation in Iraq 19
The war on terrorism 18
Moral values issues, such as gay marriage and abortion 18
Health care 11
Other (vol.) 3
Unsure 4


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FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Aug. 3-4, 2004. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.


"Which one of the following issues will be most important to your vote for president?..." Items rotated


%
The economy 25
Terrorism/Homeland security 22
Health care or Medicare 18
Iraq 14
Education 10
Taxes 3
Not sure 8


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Problems and Priorities


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Polls listed chronologically. All data are from nationwide surveys of Americans 18 & older.


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ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Aug. 26-29, 2004. N=945 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3. Fieldwork by TNS Intersearch.

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"What will be the single most important issue in your vote for president this year: the U.S. campaign against terrorism, the war in Iraq, the economy and jobs, education, health care, or something else?" Items rotated

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%
The economy and jobs 31
Iraq 19
Campaign against terrorism 19
Health care 12
Education 6
Other 11
No opinion 2

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CBS News Poll. Aug. 15-18, 2004. N=835 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

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"Which ONE issue would you most like to hear the candidates for president discuss during the 2004 presidential campaign?"

%
Economy/Jobs 24
War in Iraq 20
Health care/Medicare/Medicaid 12
Education 5
Terrorism (general) 5
Defense/Military 4
Taxes/IRS 3
Other 19
Don't know 8

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Time Poll conducted SRBI Public Affairs. Aug. 3-5, 2004. N=976 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.

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"Which of the following issues is most important to you in deciding how you might vote for president in November? . . ."

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%
The economy 27
The situation in Iraq 19
The war on terrorism 18
Moral values issues, such as gay marriage and abortion 18
Health care 11
Other (vol.) 3
Unsure 4

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FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Aug. 3-4, 2004. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

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"Which one of the following issues will be most important to your vote for president?..." Items rotated

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%
The economy 25
Terrorism/Homeland security 22
Health care or Medicare 18
Iraq 14
Education 10
Taxes 3
Not sure 8

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NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Robert Teeter (R). June 25-28, 2004. N=1,025 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

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"Please tell me which ONE of the following issues will be most important to you personally in your voting for Congress and president this year." Read list. If "All": "Well, if you had to choose, which one will be MOST important?"

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%
The war in Iraq 25
Terrorism and homeland security 22
Jobs and unemployment 21
Health care and prescription drug coverage 11
The federal budget deficit 9
Taxes 4
Energy and gasoline prices 5
Other (vol.) 2
Not sure 1

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The Harris Poll. April 8-15, 2004. N=979 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

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"What do you think are the two most important issues for the government to address?"
Top Responses
4/04 2/04
% %
The economy (non-specific) 28 31
The war 20 13
Employment/Jobs 15 16
Iraq/Saddam Hussein 10 6
Health care (other than Medicare) 9 16
Terrorism 8 4
Military/Defense 7 5
Homeland/Domestic security 6 8
Education 6 11



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Associated Press-Ipsos poll conducted by Ipsos-Public Affairs. March 19-21, 2004. N=784 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.5.

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"I'm going to read you a list of issues and I'm going to read the list twice. Please tell me which ONE issue is MOST important to you in deciding how you will vote for president in November. . . ."

%
The economy and jobs 35
National security 22
Health care 16
The war in Iraq 11
Education 8
Taxes 5
Other (vol.) 2
Not sure 1


I have more if your not convinced yet.

Edited, Wed Sep 1 11:17:22 2004 by xythex
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#31 Sep 01 2004 at 10:21 AM Rating: Default
Those polls aren't representative of likely voters. Again just further proof how the major media conglomerates are trying to push a political candidate. I've said previously that the liberal democrats are going to try and push the economy as the main issue, you realize that anyone can create a poll that will give them the results they want right?

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#32 Sep 01 2004 at 10:23 AM Rating: Default
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Those polls aren't representative of likely voters. Again just further proof how the major media conglomerates are trying to push a political candidate. I've said previously that the liberal democrats are going to try and push the economy as the main issue, you realize that anyone can create a poll that will give them the results they want right?


You'd think there's be ONE that showed something other than the economy as the primary issue then.
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#33 Sep 01 2004 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent

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You'd think there's be ONE that showed something other than the economy as the primary issue then.
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I think that almost all of them do. If the GOP believes that Iraq was a part of the war on terrorism I will agree with them. I spent 341 days in Iraq and my unit is about to go to Afghanistan in first quarter 2005. If you had listened to any of the primetime speakers from the first night you would agree.
#34 Sep 01 2004 at 11:24 AM Rating: Decent
That was hilarious, he put up ten polls then got the flippant response, "Those polls aren't representative of likely voters."

I'm pretty sure they polled people, and I'm pretty sure people are likely voters, saving any drastic amendments to the constitution that allow door hinges, rocks, and ice cream sundaes to vote.

Anyway...

Let's not forget the signifigant personal experience where he used luck, plcuk, virtue, and M&M's to overcome adveristy.

plcuk

What the hell is that?
#35 Sep 01 2004 at 11:25 AM Rating: Default
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I think that almost all of them do.


None of them do.


If the GOP believes that Iraq was a part of the war on terrorism I will agree with them.


Also if they tell you that killing Arabs makes you strong like Popeye, I imagine.


I spent 341 days in Iraq and my unit is about to go to Afghanistan in first quarter 2005. If you had listened to any of the primetime speakers from the first night you would agree.


Agree that you spent time in Iraq?

Big deal.
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#36 Sep 01 2004 at 11:41 AM Rating: Good
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Agree that you spent time in Iraq?

Big deal.

See why we Republicans have to be compassionate now?
#37 Sep 01 2004 at 11:45 AM Rating: Default
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See why we Republicans have to be compassionate now?


Pfft. All the compassion in the world for aryian christian wealthy people.
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#38 Sep 01 2004 at 11:46 AM Rating: Default
So basically what you guys are saying is that if Kerry wins it'll be because of the economy? Is that a fair assessment? What i'm saying is that regardless of what the major media conglomerates say the election is a referendum on the war on terror. If Bush wins it will be because people feel safer with him as president. If Bush loses then it will mean that Kerry and the major rags were right in saying the economy was of the most interest.

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#39 Sep 01 2004 at 11:47 AM Rating: Good
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Pfft. All the compassion in the world for aryian christian wealthy people.


Uh oh better label Smashed a racist, if we're being fair and balanced...

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#40 Sep 01 2004 at 11:47 AM Rating: Default
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What i'm saying is that regardless of what the major media conglomerates say the election is a referendum on the war on terror.


That's fascinating. I'm sure right wing whackos the world over are with you on that one.
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#41 Sep 01 2004 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Here some more! Notice that these polls are from a wide and varied pool of sources, yet all of them tend to point to one thing! Connect the dots, its right there.

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Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates. Feb. 19-20, 2004. N=873 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.



"Now I’m going to read you a list of issues. Please tell me how important you think each will be in determining your vote for president this year. What about [see below]? Will this issue be very important, somewhat important, not too important, or not at all important in determining your vote?" Items rotated
Very
Important
%
The economy 77
Education 72
Health care, including Medicare 70
Terrorism and homeland security 69
American jobs and foreign competition 68
The situation in Iraq 63
Taxes 55

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Gallup Poll. Feb. 6-8, 2004. N=1,008 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.

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"Now I am going to read a list of some of the issues that will probably be discussed in next year's presidential election campaigns. As I read each one, please tell me how important the candidates' positions on that issue will be in influencing your vote for president -- extremely important, very important, somewhat important, or not important. How about [see below]?"

Extremely/
Very
Important
%
Education 86
The economy 86
Terrorism 85
Health care 82
The situation in Iraq 80
Taxes 74
The federal budget deficit 72
Foreign affairs 65
The environment 62
Corporate corruption 60
Immigration 55
Gun policy 53
Abortion 52
Same-sex marriage 44

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CNN/USA Today/Gallup Poll. Jan. 2-5, 2004. N=800 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 4.

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"Looking ahead to next year's [sic] presidential election -- that is, in November 2004 --what will be the most important issues that you will take into account when deciding whom to vote for?" Multiple responses

%
The economy 32
War issues in Iraq 18
Homeland security/Military defense 15
International/Foreign affairs 9
Health care/Health insurance 7
Employment issues 5
Honesty, integrity of candidate 4
Domestic issues 4
Senior care/Medicare/Prescription drugs 4
Other 30
No opinion 4

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FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Sept. 9-10, 2003. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3.

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"What do you think is the most important issue for the federal government to address today?"
%
Economy/Jobs/Unemployment 38
Terrorism, other than Iraq 14
Defense/Military/Homeland security 8
Education 7
Health care/Prescription drugs 7
War/Iraq/Saddam Hussein 6
Domestic issues/Take care of U.S. 3
Balanced budget/Deficit 3
Taxes 2
Social Security/Medicare 2
Other 5
Don't know 5

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CBS News Poll. Nov. 2-4, 2002. N=1,867 likely voters nationwide. MoE ± 2.
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"Which ONE of the following issues will matter / mattered most to you when you decide(d) how to vote in the race for U.S. House of Representatives in your district on Tuesday . . . ?"

%
Economy 28
Education 14
Terrorism 13
Health care 13
Social Security 11
Iraq 10
Corporate reform 4
Don't know/No answer 7

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Varrus wrote:
So basically what you guys are saying is that when Kerry wins it'll be because of the economy? Is that a fair assessment?


FTFY
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#42 Sep 01 2004 at 12:09 PM Rating: Good
Smash is a racist he hates white people.
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Smash is a racist he hates white people.


Silence, cracka.
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#44 Sep 01 2004 at 5:40 PM Rating: Good
Bite me. ANd he thinks Totem is an Uncle Tom.
#45 Sep 01 2004 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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September 11, 2001. We are all Familiar With It We all know what happened it was a national Tragidy.


The Republicans Have the balls to go around and Politicize A National Tragidy.

Excuse me but Anyone who would base thier Convention around the Death of 3,000 Americans NEEDS to be kicked out of office.

I Am going to be sick.


That's right, I forgot that Al Gore was definitely my leader of choice at the time...

/slap
#46 Sep 01 2004 at 5:50 PM Rating: Decent
Besides, when Michael Moore was sitting in the presidential box at the DNC.... Look, all you jackasses believing that 9-11 is politicized are just waiting for the RNC to come out of the woodwork. What the hell do expect anyone heading the executive branch to do? That's like saying Roosevelt might have beena good president despite that whole World War 2 thing.... Get a clue man!
#47 Sep 01 2004 at 5:59 PM Rating: Decent
One more thing, I distinctly remember seeing family members and wives of people who were involved in the incidents that day THANKING the GOP for the opportunity to speak on the events that changed their lives (and many of ours.) Now, in my objective rationale, I think NOONE has more of a right to speak about the incidents of that day than someone who lost a loved one in the horrific events. Is it politicized? Maybe, but when people are free to speak their minds about something that affected them then they are merely exercisizing their freedom of speech. I'm sorry if 9-11 didnt convey some glorious rite of passage for the Democratic party but that doesnt mean that we have to put it in a box and forget about it when it comes to electing an Executive policy-maker.

/slap
#48 Sep 01 2004 at 6:01 PM Rating: Decent
LeFein wrote:
/crap


Fixed.

#49 Sep 01 2004 at 6:15 PM Rating: Decent
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LeFein wrote:
/crap


Fixed.



Care to elaborate?
#50 Sep 01 2004 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
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Wouldn't the results be very different? If "Cake and Icecream" together got 40% of the total in the first poll, then the category of "Candy bars" would logically get 60% of the total in the second
M&M's aren't candy bars. I know you'll probably write a twleve paragraph thread talking about the 'semantics' of candy bars and stastics and your roommate who no doubt wrote her thesis in modern candy production and classification, but there you are.


Yeah. I goofed on that one. I realized the mistake sometime early this morning while trying to get to sleep (I was at work *very* late last night and wrote that at like 3:30AM). I didn't think it mattered that much to bother to change it.

Change M&Ms to Mars bars if it makes you feel more comfortable with the analogy...
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#51 Sep 01 2004 at 6:26 PM Rating: Good
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Xythex. While I'm certain that the polls are accurate, I'll still repeat what I said earlier. In every poll, they presented the pollers with two choices (at least): "war in Iraq", and "war against terror" (with some having "foreign relations/policy" and/or "military/defense" in there as well).

If those same polls were conducted with the same people in exactly the same way, with the only change being that they replaced all choices involving foreign affairs with "war on terror", I can absolutely guarantee you that it would place higher then the single category of "economy".

In the same vein, if you presented pollers with the following choices: "unemployment", "tax rates", and "cost of living", no single one of those would come close to the numbers for "economy" alone.


Given that the poll analysis that Smash posted made a point of mentioning that there was a split between Dems and Reps as to whether they think that the war on terror and the war in Iraq are separate or related issues, the fact that they are split into separate issues in every single poll you posted does kinda tell you something don't you think?
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