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#27 Sep 01 2004 at 3:11 AM Rating: Good
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Hell, I'm not busting your chops. I'll wager you're much more familiar with the music scene than I; I being a strictly "I know what I like" kind of guy and tend to stay out of arguments about whether Eric Clapton or Weird Al Yankovic was more important to modern rock music. I was just making a point that, while I agree there's a metric assload of fluff music out there, I don't think it spells the end of modern civilization or anything.
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#28 Sep 01 2004 at 3:15 AM Rating: Decent
It does'nt. I just fear the end of this candypop phase is farther off than I would like it to be.

I mean I had to endure the 80s for what. 6 or 7 years of inventive music before we got mucked back up in the mire that is cultural music.
#29 Sep 01 2004 at 7:29 AM Rating: Decent
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Hey, if you want to remove yourself from the democratic process, go for it. But don't act like you're doing something noble because you're too busy whining about the state of American politics to educate yourself enough to cast a ballot.


seriously natural, don't bother, your vote wouldn't count anyway
#30 Sep 01 2004 at 8:26 AM Rating: Default
Can all you ******* please go suck each others d*cks someplace else.

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#31 Sep 01 2004 at 11:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I second varrus' comment, how dare you guys keep on topic in a thread here!

[/sm]/sarcasm off
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#32 Sep 01 2004 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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I am a bassist
Half way between a musician and a drummer.
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#33 Sep 01 2004 at 11:44 AM Rating: Decent
Styles,

Please do yourself a favor and delve into some good music that got overlooked by the mainstream before 1990. There are tons of great bands/people out there that never got recognized before recently.

Here's a great site for obscure old and new music. It'll all be "new" to you.

http://www.aquariusrecords.org/

Enjoy!
#34 Sep 01 2004 at 12:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Nah, ***** all that.

The only good music is from bands that were big before '77.
(I should have been born in the 50s)
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#35 Sep 01 2004 at 12:31 PM Rating: Good
What do you call a musician with no girlfriend?























Homeless.
#36 Sep 01 2004 at 2:20 PM Rating: Decent
Nice site. I will have to check that out more thoroughly. I listen to alot of stuff. I am not stuck in mid 90s to early 2k.

Also a bass player is probably halfway from a musician and a drummer. I however am a bassist. Check out some Jaco or Wooten. Maybe some Carter and Mingus. Those were bassists and who I owe alot of inspiration too.

Simple fact is the point I am trying to get across is the problems with the "Popular music industry" and by popular I don't mean pop music I just mean any music that is popular today.

I only grew up through a short time frame of musical history. The most I can do is study up and enjoy the classics. As far as the "PUSH" so to speak that has been happening since probably about 1985 thru 2001 and seems to have fallen flat. To today. So knowing what musicians know nowadays they choose to go retro instead of raising the standard higher. On top of that everyone is just going to keep spinning off everyone elses ****.



#37 Sep 01 2004 at 2:25 PM Rating: Decent
OH MY GOD. LIKE I HAVE HEARD OF PROBABLY 1% OF THE STUFF I HAVE ALREADY SEEN ON AQUARIUS' SITE.

*Tears of joy*

I am going to buy so much music today.
#38 Sep 01 2004 at 2:30 PM Rating: Decent
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OH MY GOD. LIKE I HAVE HEARD OF PROBABLY 1% OF THE STUFF I HAVE ALREADY SEEN ON AQUARIUS' SITE.

*Tears of joy*

I am going to buy so much music today.


They deserve your business, Styles. They are the nicest, coolest independent music store that I know of. And their recommendations are right on.

Edited, Wed Sep 1 15:30:11 2004 by pickleprince
#39 Sep 01 2004 at 2:32 PM Rating: Decent
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They deserve your business, Styles.


And they will definately get it

Edited, Wed Sep 1 15:32:33 2004 by Thenaturalstyles
#40 Sep 01 2004 at 3:22 PM Rating: Good
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I was priveliged to play with Pastorius in a rehearsal session in the late 70s (With Joe Zawinul, Wayne Shorter, Alejando Acuna and a few other guys). Alfonso Johnson was a joy to see playing too.

Musical snobbery is an ugly thing. There's music I like and music I don't. When you start trashing stuff coz you don't like it, or you resent people who do, it just makes you sound like an *****

Sure, I've little time for manufactured boy-bands or ****-free teen chanteuses, but they aren't hurting me.

You know the music business, right? You know less than 1% of artists ever make it big-time. Those that do. . . you think they all managed to retain their integrity and play what they really want? Of course not; many of them follow producers' advice and play what sells. F[/i]uck! It's worked for Mozart, and thousands of musicians since.

The Eagles were a raucous (and IMHO pretty decent) loud rock outfit until Alexis Korner persuaded em that they could get rich & famous playing West Coast Soft Rock.

If you think "Music is a perpetual sh[i]
ithole nowadays" then stick to the old stuff you like. Just quit ******** like a whiney little pseudo-goth.
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#41 Sep 01 2004 at 3:34 PM Rating: Decent
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I was priveliged to play with Pastorius in a rehearsal session in the late 70s (With Joe Zawinul, Wayne Shorter, Alejando Acuna and a few other guys). Alfonso Johnson was a joy to see playing too.


^^^^^
That is awesome and if it is true then I envy you in some sort of way.

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Musical snobbery is an ugly thing. There's music I like and music I don't. When you start trashing stuff coz you don't like it, or you resent people who do, it just makes you sound like an *****


What part of it is "musical snobbery". I am simply stating that yeah sure in the past there was always the easy sells, but never ever ever was it in this glorified platinum record overload that it is today.


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You know the music business, right? You know less than 1% of artists ever make it big-time. Those that do. . . you think they all managed to retain their integrity and play what they really want? Of course not; many of them follow producers' advice and play what sells. ****! It's worked for Mozart, and thousands of musicians since.



Yeah something strikes that as okay with you. How record companies just toss out well put together demo packs that these groups whether they be solo, an actual group, songwriters, or managers that worked really hard to go through all the channels and can't even get a look.

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If you think "Music is a perpetual ******** nowadays" then stick to the old stuff you like. Just quit ******** like a whiney little pseudo-goth.


Yeah that is a little off the mark about me. I enjoy music with every part of me I can. You know what I would just like to see the future of music a little brighter than what it looks like to me today.

And I am not a "goth" I am a 24 year old painter that entertains dilusions of grandeur so to speak in wanting to write totally ground breaking music that might actually do the industry and the world in general some good by giving them something that says, "hey this is talented insightful composition with lyrics that you can relate to on a deeper more meaningful level." That is all I am trying to say.

No it is totally out of our hands nowadays. Sure there is always the local scene, but there is nothing more upsetting than seeing a totally deserving group fall flat simply because they lacked the Pizazz in the producers eyes, like that will really translate what public opinion would be.

Nobody is getting a shot, and if you think that this is not going to hurt the industry over time then you are sorely mistaken. You just lack the foresight.


#42 Sep 01 2004 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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What part of it is "musical snobbery".
Setting your own taste as superior to anyone else's. You're a snob. GFY

For a 12 year old who thinks Justin Timberlake is Bob's gift to music, he's fantastic. Live with it. Who the f[/i]uck are you to decide who has talent and who doesn't?
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Nobody is getting a shot, and if you think that this is not going to hurt the industry over time then you are sorely mistaken
Yep, like Elvis killed music in the 50s, Hip Hop killed melodies and techno killed musicianship. There have been luddite blinkered bigots like you around since some caveman banged two Mammoth Tusks together ("Ahh it's not as good as the old 'rock and a stick' music when I was a lad"). The 'push' didn't begin in '85 you ****. It's been around for centuries.

I'm slightly older than Methuselah's grandaddy but even I can find plenty of new stuff out there that's pure jazz joy (Amy Whinehouse, Jamie Cullum), innovative takes on older stuff (Scissor Sisters, Outkast), Good ole rock (White Stripes, Muse, Ash), soulful (Jack Johnson), technically astonishing (Heard Ben Harper's acoustic live sets? Now tell me there's no talent!)

Open your f[i]
ucking ears and stop trying to be an elitist. You might just enjoy some new music.
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#43 Sep 01 2004 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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The 'push' didn't begin in '85 you ****. It's been around for centuries.


Damnit would you listen before you run off at the mouth.

I am simply stating that this is the way it was for me since I was growing up. We have seen leaps and bounds in music for the history of music sure. I have also been alive for a good part of the growth of music. I also don't care what other people like. Like whatever you want. People dig the Cure. I don't really get into it. I like alot of Radiohead from the middle of their career.

What I am saying is that music in general is becoming more of this **** and less of the good. If you can't see it I am sorry. GFY by the way. That **** is not very nice. I am guilty of being a prick too but only when I am attacked in such a childish manner as that.


So you think someone like Elvis was a crutch to music.

To think that I don't understand how publicity in music works could'nt be further from the truth. ALL I AM SAYING IS LOOK HOW FAST THIS CAME ON. ALSO LOOK AT THE RATIO OF MUSIC THAT IS PUT OUT ON SOLE STUPIDITY ALONE.

Look I love all kinds of music. Genre to Genre. There is just becoming less and less innovative music that I feel like wasting my time with. I don't prefer to live in the past. I would just like to see a little more attention paid to detail and talent.

Also Timberlake is not a notorius Lip Syncher.

That is another problem I have. If you are going to be a vocalist and a performing musician you better not be a auto-tune baby and learn to recreate your studio performance to some extent then just singing to a track.


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Good ole rock (White Stripes, Muse, Ash),


I am listening to muse right now as a matter of fact.

Edited, Wed Sep 1 17:06:14 2004 by Thenaturalstyles
#44 Sep 01 2004 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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I have also been alive for a good part of the growth of music.
24 miserable years on this mortal coil is less than a fragment of a blink of an eye. Music didn't start when you were born sparky. Did you ever read Handel's contemporaries slagging him for taking the art out of music?

Nothing is as bitter as a failed artist. Get yourself a successful career with multi-platinum sales and a huge fan base. Until then stop ******** that these lip-synching pouting MTV-fodder are more successful than you'll ever be.

Go home to your mom, throw her trick out of the trailer and crawl back to her t[i][/i]itties for a few more years. Then read your posts and cringe at how immature & juvenile your whining sounds.

Oh, and GFY.
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#45 Sep 01 2004 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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I am listening to muse right now as a matter of fact.
They must be overjoyed. Smiley: oyvey
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#46 Sep 01 2004 at 4:23 PM Rating: Decent
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Did you ever read Handel's contemporaries slagging him for taking the art out of music?


Actually, that did probably exist. Of course, music that wasn't written for a rich guy didn't get written down at all back then. Most art was commissioned.

#47 Sep 01 2004 at 4:25 PM Rating: Decent
Juvenile huh. Look nobby You are right I got alot of time left on this earth. I am sure I will see alot more than you. And I am no where near worried about how successful these mickey mouse club reject are. So what, their success is IMO ill gotten.

I am also learning as I go as far as my musical knowledge is concerned. I am not trying to debate the history of music as that would be a losing battle for me. I am simply trying to debate the sorry state of the public appeal that is this debauchle that is music these days. Nothing your apparently geezer *** says is going to change my opinion about it either.

My career is not failed by the way. I have just begun. Things look promising.
#48 Sep 01 2004 at 4:29 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, that did probably exist. Of course, music that wasn't written for a rich guy didn't get written down at all back then. Most art was commissioned.
Absolutely, including most (but not all) 'holy music'. The whiners sounded just like NaturalPiles :- "Oh this is just commercial sh[/i]ite, no finesse, no honesty. Totally sold out".

You know I have an image of my kids in their 80s shouting at their Grandchildren:
"[i]Turn that sh[i]
it off! Play some of the old songs you could sing to. Put a bit of Chemical Brothers on. What about a nice bit of Marilyn Manson. Now that was proper music[/i]!"
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#49 Sep 01 2004 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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My career is not failed by the way
I think you'll find it has.

A musician with prejudices instead of ears has as much chance of success as a one legged man in an **** kicking competition.
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#50 Sep 01 2004 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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A musician with prejudices instead of ears has as much chance of success as a one legged man in an **** kicking competition.


What about a one-legged man
playing DDR?
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#51 Sep 01 2004 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
I think prejudice in musicianship is the most important thing ever. How do you think the greatest music gets written. By deserving talented artists that say "you know what. ***** this commercial ***********

Besides all the regurgatated crap that I just cannot deal with is all looped and sampled anyways.

Still my love is in original rock. I get to play with outstanding, mind blowing artists often and these are the good times.

So thanks nobby for your input.


[EDIT] Also I have ears dude. LOL I love alot of music. I think you are mistaking what I said as I hate all music these days. Which is wrong. I just hate the overpopularity of trash.

Edited, Wed Sep 1 17:48:21 2004 by Thenaturalstyles
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