I thought he did well, but the funniest thing to me was the throng of GOP delegates who applauded and chanted "Four More Years" when McCain mentioned Micheal Moore. It stopped the speech dead for probably five more minutes.
The GOP delegates looked like crazy cult followers and their penchant to buy into blind rhetoric seemed to frighten McCain. He tried to end the aplause and chanting several times with a sheepish look on his face, realizing he had tapped into the inner whacko blind follower instinct of the GOP delegates.
Moore was there, apparently, and CSPAN kept panning over to his reaction shot which was, one assumes "I'm so amazingly happy that these people are giving me this much attention!"
This picture of the convention goers during the applause and chanting was quite powerful, I thought.
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And I'm sure if they'd all remained in their seats and not applauded heavily, you'd have posted that that was a sign that they were demoralized or disenfranchised or some other silliness.
Gotta love your ability to always find a dark cloud Smash.
At least you didn't say: "This will only help Kerry"
Gotta love your ability to always find a dark cloud Smash.
At least you didn't say: "This will only help Kerry"
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
And I'm sure if they'd all remained in their seats and not applauded heavily, you'd have posted that that was a sign that they were demoralized or disenfranchised or some other silliness.
No, of course I wouldn't. Making spurrious arguments based solely on polticial affiliation is your forte, not mine. I'll stick to the facts, thanks.
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The GOP delegates looked like crazy cult followers and their penchant to buy into blind rhetoric seemed to frighten McCain.
The Dem's convention was the same way, as far as the chanting and such. Anytime crowds get that mob mentality and start to chant, I just get uncomfortable. Same thing during rallies in high school. I'm okay with applause and cheering, but when things turn to chanting, I just get very uneasy. Just pangs me as wrong.
I didn't see McCain's speech. I forgot to set up TiVo. The speech I did catch, was Giuliani's, and I was actually laughing with incredulity at several points during the speech driving home. That whole principled leadership part, for instance. He pretty much implied driving away our European ALLIES was a good thing. Funny, in my book, not so much.
And I really thought yesterday was September 11, because that seemed to be the only date he ever mentioned. You know what? I'm aware it happened. I'm aware what your response was. Now quit pulling emotional chords and at least talk about something of substance.
The Dem's convention was the same way, as far as the chanting and such. Anytime crowds get that mob mentality and start to chant, I just get uncomfortable. Same thing during rallies in high school. I'm okay with applause and cheering, but when things turn to chanting, I just get very uneasy. Just pangs me as wrong.
I didn't see McCain's speech. I forgot to set up TiVo. The speech I did catch, was Giuliani's, and I was actually laughing with incredulity at several points during the speech driving home. That whole principled leadership part, for instance. He pretty much implied driving away our European ALLIES was a good thing. Funny, in my book, not so much.
And I really thought yesterday was September 11, because that seemed to be the only date he ever mentioned. You know what? I'm aware it happened. I'm aware what your response was. Now quit pulling emotional chords and at least talk about something of substance.
Smashed wrote:
Ah you mean quotes facts like these:
This must be more of that factual fair and balanced reporting democrats seem to have an aptitude for.
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No, of course I wouldn't. Making spurrious arguments based solely on polticial affiliation is your forte, not mine. I'll stick to the facts, thanks.
Ah you mean quotes facts like these:
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The GOP delegates looked like crazy cult followers and their penchant to buy into blind rhetoric seemed to frighten McCain
This must be more of that factual fair and balanced reporting democrats seem to have an aptitude for.
Varus
Sorry Varrus, Warlord Lefein and Humdaan came in and stole your schtick while you were away yesterday.
You turn your back for one minute...
You turn your back for one minute...
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Both the hard-core Bushies and the "anybody but Bush" crowd resemble "crazy cult followers," IMO.
Each believes blindly, and without question, that there are actually differences worth noting between the two major candidates.
Each believes blindly, and without question, that there are actually differences worth noting between the two major candidates.
NEW YORK (AP) -- Already a box office sensation, filmmaker Michael Moore got another loud reception Monday at the Republican National Convention. This time, it was boos.
When Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told the delegates about "a disingenuous film maker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace," they knew he was referring to the maker of "Fahrenheit 9-11." The film, which savages Bush's Iraq policy, has set a box office record for documentaries, grossing $115 million so far.
McCain's comments prompted prolonged booing and chants of "Four more years." Many of the delegates faced Moore, who was seated in the press seats at Madison Square Garden because he is writing a column this week for USA Today.
Moore seemed to relish the attention, thrusting his arms over his head, laughing and saying, "Two more months."
Asked about McCain's remarks, Moore said, "I can't believe they're dumb enough to bring up the film and help its box office."
When Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told the delegates about "a disingenuous film maker who would have us believe that Saddam's Iraq was an oasis of peace," they knew he was referring to the maker of "Fahrenheit 9-11." The film, which savages Bush's Iraq policy, has set a box office record for documentaries, grossing $115 million so far.
McCain's comments prompted prolonged booing and chants of "Four more years." Many of the delegates faced Moore, who was seated in the press seats at Madison Square Garden because he is writing a column this week for USA Today.
Moore seemed to relish the attention, thrusting his arms over his head, laughing and saying, "Two more months."
Asked about McCain's remarks, Moore said, "I can't believe they're dumb enough to bring up the film and help its box office."
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Each believes blindly, and without question, that there are actually differences worth noting between the two major candidates.
So you believe the two candidates are exactly the same?
Or are you just trying to look superior by making someone else look inferior without providing any logic and/or evidence in support of your position?
So you believe the two candidates are exactly the same?
Or are you just trying to look superior by making someone else look inferior without providing any logic and/or evidence in support of your position?
Logic/evidence:
-Both candidates support the PATRIOT Act.
-Both candidates support the Iraq war, as well as further unnecessary and unconstitutional intervention abroad.
-Both candidates support the continued robbery (taxation) of our income, as well as the slavery (conscription) of young men and women into government service.
-Both candidates support the continuing growth and centralization of government power.
-Both candidates support the continued erosion of our constitutional rights in one way or another, including the rights to trial by jury, free speech, and the right to keep and bear arms.
-Both support the continued surrender of our sovereignty to "world governments" such as the UN.
I could continue on, but I'll leave these few points to discuss for now.
-Both candidates support the PATRIOT Act.
-Both candidates support the Iraq war, as well as further unnecessary and unconstitutional intervention abroad.
-Both candidates support the continued robbery (taxation) of our income, as well as the slavery (conscription) of young men and women into government service.
-Both candidates support the continuing growth and centralization of government power.
-Both candidates support the continued erosion of our constitutional rights in one way or another, including the rights to trial by jury, free speech, and the right to keep and bear arms.
-Both support the continued surrender of our sovereignty to "world governments" such as the UN.
I could continue on, but I'll leave these few points to discuss for now.
Umm.. not a one of those things is evidence. Evidence would be a cite showing where both candidates support [insert government evil here].
-Both candidates support enslavement of the American population by a race of super intelligent emus.
See?
-Both candidates support enslavement of the American population by a race of super intelligent emus.
See?
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Cydillie wrote:
Logic/evidence:
Umm, ok. Now to rebutt (in order, so keep up):
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I could continue on, but I'll leave these few points to discuss for now.
No, you could go on, but it would simply be more **** leakage that managed to work itself in through your floppy drive. That's what you get for whiping your *** with a disk, and this is what we get for not religiously enforcing licensing for computer users.
I watched it and was amused that this was the guy so many Dems wanted to be the second half of the Kerry ticket-- some of whom are on this board.
Also watched Gulianni and was surprised to see he has become the hatchet man for the Republican Party. I didn't expect to see that.
Totem
Also watched Gulianni and was surprised to see he has become the hatchet man for the Republican Party. I didn't expect to see that.
Totem
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-Both candidates support the Iraq war, as well as further unnecessary and unconstitutional intervention abroad.
-Both candidates support the continued robbery (taxation) of our income, as well as the slavery (conscription) of young men and women into government service.
-Both candidates support the continued robbery (taxation) of our income, as well as the slavery (conscription) of young men and women into government service.
Support for the Iraq effort is absolutely necessary at this point, since Bush already entrenched most of the US military there. Kerry's stance on drafting 40,000 more soldiers is stated as a "temporaray measure" to "replenish our overextended military". At this point we will only have Rent-a-Cops left for deployment if Kim Jung-Il decides to roll for Seoul.
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-Both support the continued surrender of our sovereignty to "world governments" such as the UN.
How is this the case? Bush pretty much bypassed the UN altogether on the Iraq situation and instead went for it with a "coalition of the willing". The UN is mostly defunct at this point; the only "world government" of any power would be in Washington DC.
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we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
-Both candidates support the Iraq war, as well as further unnecessary and unconstitutional intervention abroad.
First, it's not unconstitutional.
Second, their views of the war are drastically different. Just as the other "logic/evidence" you've presented, you're trying to collapse incredibly intricate acts into a dichotomy, which you simply cannot do.
-Both candidates support the continued robbery (taxation) of our income, as well as the slavery (conscription) of young men and women into government service.
Do you even know what the parties' platforms are? Or are you collapsing the issue of taxes to the ludicrous binary of "I am being taxed some or "I am not being taxed at all?"
Bush is going to propose more tax cuts in his speech on Thursday.
Kerry wants a tax increase for those in wealthier brackets.
As to your comments about conscription, I don't understand what's wrong with you.
Men 18-25 are required to register in order to receive federal financial aid, otherwise no registration is required. Women aren't even allowed to register.
http://www.sss.gov/regver/register1.asp
-Both candidates support the continuing growth and centralization of government power.
Wow, that's about the most vague thing you've said so far. If you try and be a little more vague, perhaps we can have an argument about nothing at all.
-Both candidates support the continued erosion of our constitutional rights in one way or another, including the rights to trial by jury, free speech, and the right to keep and bear arms.
Again, how? I'm assuming this is some veiled reference to the Patriot Act, but that might be giving you more credit than you're due.
-Both support the continued surrender of our sovereignty to "world governments" such as the UN.
Is your grasp of politics rooted in the eighteenth century? We live in a global economy. We need to strengthen our ties with other nations, not weaken them.
If you want them weakened, Bush seems to be doing a good job in that department, so I suggest you vote for him, if you are of age.
State an opinion one way or another and argue something of substance. Otherwise, keep your arrogant, self-aggrandizing comments to yourself.
First, it's not unconstitutional.
Second, their views of the war are drastically different. Just as the other "logic/evidence" you've presented, you're trying to collapse incredibly intricate acts into a dichotomy, which you simply cannot do.
-Both candidates support the continued robbery (taxation) of our income, as well as the slavery (conscription) of young men and women into government service.
Do you even know what the parties' platforms are? Or are you collapsing the issue of taxes to the ludicrous binary of "I am being taxed some or "I am not being taxed at all?"
Bush is going to propose more tax cuts in his speech on Thursday.
Kerry wants a tax increase for those in wealthier brackets.
As to your comments about conscription, I don't understand what's wrong with you.
Men 18-25 are required to register in order to receive federal financial aid, otherwise no registration is required. Women aren't even allowed to register.
http://www.sss.gov/regver/register1.asp
-Both candidates support the continuing growth and centralization of government power.
Wow, that's about the most vague thing you've said so far. If you try and be a little more vague, perhaps we can have an argument about nothing at all.
-Both candidates support the continued erosion of our constitutional rights in one way or another, including the rights to trial by jury, free speech, and the right to keep and bear arms.
Again, how? I'm assuming this is some veiled reference to the Patriot Act, but that might be giving you more credit than you're due.
-Both support the continued surrender of our sovereignty to "world governments" such as the UN.
Is your grasp of politics rooted in the eighteenth century? We live in a global economy. We need to strengthen our ties with other nations, not weaken them.
If you want them weakened, Bush seems to be doing a good job in that department, so I suggest you vote for him, if you are of age.
State an opinion one way or another and argue something of substance. Otherwise, keep your arrogant, self-aggrandizing comments to yourself.
Stating similarities between candidates logically proves that they have no differences? Wow, I had no clue.
Both candidates are human males.
Ergo, they are identical.
Neat-O, this is fun.
Both candidates are human males.
Ergo, they are identical.
Neat-O, this is fun.
Both candidates are human males.
Ergo, they are identical.
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Ergo, they are identical.
Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
It's hard to interpret enthusiasm against a propogandist like Moore as a "cult" following. Last I checked I think a Lord of the Rings movie could still stomp Farenheit 9-11... Now if only we can revive Tolkein and make him write another book..
/slaps his face
Oh I mean cult...yeah uhh yeah..
I suppose a case could be made that anyone who bought into Moore's view in that movie is mroe of a cult. Along the lines of Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Edited, Tue Aug 31 16:27:27 2004 by Lefein
/slaps his face
Oh I mean cult...yeah uhh yeah..
I suppose a case could be made that anyone who bought into Moore's view in that movie is mroe of a cult. Along the lines of Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Edited, Tue Aug 31 16:27:27 2004 by Lefein
I also distinctly remember a long applause when McCain praised Kerry's service in the military... Hardly the actions of a crowd of radical fanatics methinks.
The Washington Post wrote:
But from the moment he entered Madison Square Garden, Moore was the one being observed.
"Moore, you loser! Get out!" shouted Dan Willard, an alternate Maryland delegate from Rockville.
"Moore, you loser! Get out!" shouted Dan Willard, an alternate Maryland delegate from Rockville.
/sigh
Moore is a propogandist... I'm glad that a speech as good as McCains can only be picked apart because of a voice of dissent for Moore. I wonder how much money Moore has made on Farenheit 9-11.. I wonder how much of that money he has donated to the September 11th Relief Fund.. riiiiiiiiiiight
I like the fact that 90 percent of the people responding didn't see the thing and are taking the classically American position that no matter what one side does, the other side is equal, because they've been raised in a culture of equivication for EVERYTHING.
So, the reply they've been trained to make is allways "Well, to be fair, the other side does the same thing". Regardless of if it's true or not, it's just blanketly assumed as true that it's the case.
So, the reply they've been trained to make is allways "Well, to be fair, the other side does the same thing". Regardless of if it's true or not, it's just blanketly assumed as true that it's the case.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
That, and not many of you seem to have clicked on the picture.
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Moore is a propogandist... I'm glad that a speech as good as McCains can only be picked apart because of a voice of dissent for Moore.
Maybe the bold tag wasn't enough..
Yeah well, it's not as though I really need you.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Doesn't that picture invoke Godwins's or does have to be written?
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