More problems with Kerry's military record?Follow

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So whose sock-puppet is getting enough posts to rate themself up?

Dat Joo Katie?

Well. I've said this a couple times already. May as well say it again. It's not the Bush supporters who started this. As you so cleverly divined, Bush is certainly not the person to bring up military careers. He knows this. His supporters know this.

But the Kerry supporters (and the Gore supporters before him) *have* made this an issue. They made the point of making the distinction. They went out of their way to make the same observation you made. Kerry's a "war hero", and Bush is a coward who hid in the guard reserves to avoid having to fight. Great! Um. Don't you think that Bush's supporters are going to respod to that? They have no choice. You've given them no choice. Well. They can't exactly bolster Bush's military career, so they again have no choice but to look at Kerry's and see if something shakes loose.


Guess what? They've found lots of stuff that people can question. The moral here is that if you claim to be something more "special" then the other guy, you'd damn well better expect that the other guy is going to look closely at your claim. No one would have cared about Kerry's military record if such a big deal of his medals hadn't been made. Your very statement above is exactly the kind of rhetoric that got Kerry in trouble.


When you put someone on a pedestal, it's just easier to see the flaws.

My Point being that His medals are being questiond by People who were not on the same boat as him and couldn't have known what really happened. There are connections between this group and the Bush administration.

I hear Conservitive Rhetoric all the time accusing me of hating america and disrespecting military soldiers who went over to iraq. Well John kerry went over to Vietnam and did his patriotic duty. I'm jsut as reasonable to make the same claims about hateing america and disrepsecting veitnam vets when These groups and Bush admin(when ties to the groups exist) start questioning Kerrys medals.

But the Kerry supporters (and the Gore supporters before him) *have* made this an issue.

They MADE people lie.

They MADE the GOP shuttle massive funding to a group of people coordinating the lies.

They MADE the GOP use the EXACT SAME people who smeared McCain.

It's a convincing argument.

Just like all those women involved in domestic violence MAKE the med hit them.

"Look what you made me do!"

Give me the Cons on kerry smash. I trust your opinion.


I did, they'd be the opposite positions of what Bush stands for.

If you think the Patriot Act is a good idea, and that Ashcroft is doing a good job as AG, you shouldn't vote for Kerry.

If you don't think the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans should be removed, don't vote for Kerry.

If you don't want the US to build consensus and cooperate with other Nations in the "war on terror" don't vote for Kerry.

If you don't think Abortion should be legal, don't vote for Kerry.

If you don't think gay marrige should be a state by state issue, and that instead we should ammend the Constitution over it, don't vote for Kerry.

If you think the Bush team has been a good steward of the economy, don't vote for Kerry.

If you think lossing 1000 US troops in Iraq was a small price to pay for the current situation, don't vote for Kerry.

If you're worried that you're going to loose a job to a brown skinned person because of affirmative action, don't vote for Kerry.

Personally, there isn't a single issue where Bush represents my intrests more effectively than Kerry, so it's an easy decision for me. You have to decide where you stand on the issues and figure out which person more completely represents your intrests.

Then vote for that guy, alternately, if you're Gbaji, vote for the other guy and try to find some way to rationalize it.

Lol. So easy to pick and choose...


Oppose Abortion? Vote Bush.

Ok. That's valid. Pretty darn unlikely though. I'd weight this about .00001 of a percent of the more important issues.

Oppose Gay Marrige? Vote Bush.

Valid as well. Same deal though. The issue is social and it's hot. It's not like a president is going to make that call. The courts and the legistlature will.

Like the Patriot Act? Vote Bush.

Like the Patriot Act. Vote Kerry. He voted for it and is in favor of it as well

Oppose Affirmative Action? Vote Bush.

If you believe that universities should use skin color instead of ability for admissions. Vote Kerry

Like the war in Iraq? Vote Bush.

Like the war in Iraq? Vote Kerry. He voted for that one as well.

Like massively restricting stem cell research? Vote Bush.

Like using the government to fix every problem? Vote Kerry.

Like a candidate who belives religion is important to geverning? Vote Bush.

Like a candidate who believes the same thing, but will only say that on even years? Vote Kerry.

Like restrictive Drug Policy? Vote Bush.

Like restrictive Drug Policy? Vote Kerry

Think tax cuts that target the wealthiest people in the country will help the economy? Vote Bush.

Think increasing taxes on the businesses owned and invested in by those wealthiest people will somehow magically prevent outsourcing and job loss? Vote Kerry

Think a ballanced budget is unimportant? Vote Bush.

Think Big Government programs are important? Vote Kerry

Think massive national debt is no big deal? Vote Bush.

Think stunting our techological and economic growth in the long run is no big deal? Vote Kerry

Think Social Security should be privatized? Vote Bush.

Think Social Security should be allowed to go bankrupt before you reach 65? Vote Kerry.

Think huge comanies should be guaranteed purchases at full price by the federal government? Vote Bush.

Think medicare should be bankrupt within 20 years, and that we should put our money where the research *isn't*? Vote Kerry.

Think holding foreign nationals without charging them for years at a time and not allowing the rights provided by the Geneva Conventions is a good idea? Vote Bush.

Ditto. Vote Kerry. He's provided no indication that he'd do much different on that front.

To sum up, if you want the country run by a Christian who will impose the values of Christanity, as he sees them, unto everyone he possibly can, vote Bush.

To sum up. If you want the country run by someone who's convictions change from day to day based on what he thinks the people most want, and has no firm stance on anything, then vote for Kerry.



Of course, what he missed:


Want a president that takes a stand for what he believes in? Vote Bush.

Want a president who, when a huge crisis hit the nation, used that crisis to develop a broad policy aimed at preventing such a thing from happening again in the future instead of simply continuing a failed policy of reaction? Vote Bush.

Want a president who turned what was probably the biggest recession in 30 years around in less then 3 years? Vote Bush.

Want a president who's reforming medicare so that it actually uses it's funds to prevent people from getting sick instead of waiting for them to get sick and paying for their deathbed? Vote Bush.

Want a president who's reforming Social Security so that there'll be something when you retire? Vote Bush



I could probably think of more, but that's enough for now...

Edited, Wed Sep 1 03:38:05 2004 by gbaji

Well I most assuredly think that whoever is in office can't let up on the task at hand. Which is at least letting the world know that there is not going to be any more of these pot shots that are going to go unchallenged.

I also think that "Green" resources are a must for the future of the economy and the planet. I mean while oil is a big money maker we will adapt. Less money spent on oil means more money spent on other things.

I think adoption is good and abortion is abominable. At least after pronouced development of the fetus has taken place and internal organs such as the heart and brain are functioning.

I think rich people have enough money. I think they need to be "Encouraged" to use their wealth in more prominent areas that really could use the funds. Such as Aids and Cancer research. And not another 37 million dollar masion. I mean they make all thier money from other americans. might as well help out dont cha think.

I would like to see a "Good Man" in office that is open-minded and ready to accept change. Like another poster offered. Maybe someone that would just get off the fence and know what is right then do it.


I think more effort needs to be put into rehabilitating first time offenders in prison. So maybe they can have a second chance. (No not murderers and rapists) People that have just made bad choices and have learned the errors of their ways. I imagine if we get a good amount of them out of prison and back into society they could be much more productive. (I do mean thru an extensive correctional program) Not just incarceration and forget about it.

HMmmmm. Maybe I should be president?

I don't feel "Strongly" about the abortion thing. I think it should be more of a moral dilemma for the mothers. I was shocked when I first heard about the operation.

Which 90% would that be Smash? Has Kerry advocated legalization of drugs recently?


No but he advocates treatment over stiff mandatory penalties for low level drug offenders. Bush holds the opposite view, which is particuallry intresting considering he's a former addict.



Did he not vote for both the Patiot Act and the war in Iraq?


One, no one voted for the war in Iraq. Two, yes he voted for the Patriot Act, and now thinks it goes too far and that it should be allowed to die. Bush holds the opposite view.


Isn't Affirmative action just another way of saying we'll use your skin color as a weighting factor on your college application?


It's a way of saying "we understand you're at a massive disatvantage because of your skin color, but we'll try to compensate in a tiny way by helping you get a good education/job".


Isn't it true that Bush only opposed federal funding for Stem Cell research, but did nothing to prevent privately funded research, making that really about a Big Government issue?

Um, no. It'd be a big government issue if Bush cut funding for research across the board instead of just changing where the money goes because of his religous views.

Contrary to your fantasy world of private pharmicudical companies providing breakthrough research with their own money, cutting off federal funding cripples medical research.

We've seen this movie before when Regan took the same tact regarding AIDS. A few more people dying because of a right wing religous beliefs isn't a big deal, I guess.

So not one of them was "fabricated". You just happen to disagree with the assessments.


No, they're fabricated. Throwing a random pointless fact into a fabrication doesn't make it any less fabricated.

Gbaji likes to have sex with barnyard animals because the sky is blue.

That's fabricated, isn't it?

Boy, you're rhetorically challanged in ways unseen since Pizzaro first tried to communicate with the Inca. (Or Cortez, whichever one it was)

No. Fabricated means completely made up Smash. Whole cloth.


Um, no, it doesn't.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fabricated

fab·ri·cate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fbr-kt)
tr.v. fab·ri·cat·ed, fab·ri·cat·ing, fab·ri·cates

3. To concoct in order to deceive: fabricated an excuse.

Please, in the future, when you try to use a word who's meaning you're unsure of, look it up first.

It saves you the embarassment of using the word incorrectly and everyone laughing at you and me the guilt of having to point out just how slow you really are, which diminishes the joy of winning arguements over and over with you. It makes me seem cruel.

This is silly, we should be ostracizing Kerry for being a ****-loving *****, not for who he did or did not kill in some fictional war!