http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-lips27.html
To summarize, Kerry supposedly has a Silver Star with a "V" device (for valor in combat, an additional accolade). The problem is none of the branches of service issue those awards. The Swiftboat problem looks like it might have legs after all if this turns out to be true.
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Nobody cares what his military record is, take a pop at his politics if yuo don't want him to be president and STFU!!
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Nobody cares what his military record is
That's been the main focus of his campaign so far. "John Kerry, reporting for duty," anyone? And now, whenever someone questions his military record, the left demands that they be silenced at once because they're dishonerable liars and they are calling into question the honer and patriotisim of all veterans. The hypocracy abounds. Moore is honered as a hero of the democratic party, while a bunch of veterans doing the same thing are liars.
Nat
Edited, Sun Aug 29 16:41:31 2004 by Natdatilgnome
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That's been the main focus of his campaign so far.
well thats me proved wrong, let me change my quote:
nobody with half a brain (people outside of america) cares about kerrys military record
Ahhhh, ok. I can accept that. 
Nat
Edited, Sun Aug 29 17:21:19 2004 by Natdatilgnome
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Edited, Sun Aug 29 17:21:19 2004 by Natdatilgnome
Apparently those with half the brain that works care enough about the mans character and service record to discuss the issue. Kerry has lied for over 35 years and he dishonored the very men that served under him by protesting the war when he returned. He further dishonored veterans that served since he has been a Senator by voting against increased funding for specific projects and budget increases for the current conflict.
Kerry is the one that needs to be held accountable for his flip flopping, hell he's been doing the same act for over 35 years.
Some people here have brought up other issues and yet no one around cares to discuss them. You want to discuss something other Kerry's service record start another topic.
Kerry is the one that needs to be held accountable for his flip flopping, hell he's been doing the same act for over 35 years.
Some people here have brought up other issues and yet no one around cares to discuss them. You want to discuss something other Kerry's service record start another topic.
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he dishonored the very men that served under him by protesting the war when he returned.
Okay, let me know when you and Humdaan get back from the truck pull.
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Kerry is the one that needs to be held accountable for his flip flopping
I saw 10 times more references to Kerry's record from the pro-Bush camp than Kerry's until Swift-Twats forced him to stand his ground.
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Kerry has lied for over 35 years
ok i see, i'm not going to get dragged into the argument about which capitalist despot gets into power by saying wether i think he did or didnt, but i see hwy people care now, but i don't take back what i said about americans
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nobody with half a brain (people outside of america) cares about kerrys military record
The only problem is none of these people with a whole brain (outside of America) make a **** bit of difference in the American election of a president. So if we want to discuss his military record that's our half brained business.
Nobby, I account for it by Bush saying precisely that so as to stay above the fray, but the independent groups loosely associated to him are tasked to highlight these issues regardless of their merit. However, before anybody leaps on my statement with both feet, all candidates at that level have these groups surrounding them and their campaigns. It's part of the process for good or for evil.
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I saw 10 times more references to Kerry's record from the pro-Bush camp than Kerry's until Swift-Twats forced him to stand his ground
Nob, where did you see all the references? Not denying that you did, it's just that my experiance doesn't match up with yours in this case.
Nat
Edited, Sun Aug 29 17:44:33 2004 by Natdatilgnome
Kerry has lied for over 35 years and he dishonored the very men that served under him by protesting the war when he returned
Still pissing on the honor or combat vets, eh Stok?
Good to know.
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Still pissing on the honor or combat vets, eh Stok?
And Kerry isn't, Smash? I don't know who's telling the truth in the whole SwiftyGuys thing, but either 250 vets are lying on that side or 4 on the Kerry side are.
Smasharoo, I have no issue with Kerry protesting the Vietnam War when he was released from service, but I do take issue with him falsely claiming he was privy to large numbers of atrocities committed over there. Considering he has subsequently admitted he was being overly enthusiastic in his denunciation of the war, then, yes, he dishonored the men with whom he served. No question about it.
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I'm not dishonoring anyone, I'm discussing an issue that was brought to the front by the candidate himself. He's the twit that has changed his own story so many times even the media can't tell what version he's on now.
Your tactic isn't working Smash try another one.
Your tactic isn't working Smash try another one.
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all candidates at that level have these groups surrounding them and their campaigns
I concede that if we judge politicians by the people who support them our views will be tainted.
I suspect Kerry and Bush both have moments when they slap their face in their hands and despair at the misguided malice propounded by their supporters who lack the subtlety of top level politics.
I've referred to Michael Portillo who was odds-on favourite to lead the Conservatives and could have beaten Blair at the last UK Election to become UK Prime Minister. He withdrew after a bunch of 'supporters' slagged off his leadership rival's military career. The back-lash to such blatant negative campaigning put his campaign beyond retrieval.
I still think that Bush could gain credibility by distancing himself from Swiftvets. He doesn't need to denounce them or even challenge their assertions. Just a comment that the 'real issue' is whether Kerry's policies stand up could win him votes.
Maybe just a difference between UK and US politics. Negative campaigning is seens as desparation over here and is usually the last action of a politician before his resignation.
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And Kerry isn't, Smash? I don't know who's telling the truth in the whole SwiftyGuys thing, but either 250 vets are lying on that side or 4 on the Kerry side are.
4 and every official in the Navy who had to review or sign off on any of any of Kerry's recods.
John McCain too. He must be lying as well.
Is that how it works, by the way? IF Kerry gets 251 vets to defend him=, then he's telling the truth?
I don't know who's telling the truth in the whole SwiftyGuys thing,
This is the reason negative campaigning exists at all. Morons hear a lie enough times from enough people and suddenly it's an open question weather offical US military documents are correct, or if a group financed by a mans political opposition using statements from men which are diametrically opposed from statemments they made ten years ago, a group denounced by McCain, run by the same men who defamed the war record of Max Cleland who left three limbs in Vietnam is correct.
I imagine if the GOP got toghether and paid 9 or 10 scientists to sign an afdidavit that the world was flat, it'd become an open question with no clear answer, right?
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I still think that Bush could gain credibility by distancing himself from Swiftvets. He doesn't need to denounce them or even challenge their assertions. Just a comment that the 'real issue' is whether Kerry's policies stand up could win him votes.
Bush is doing this, but the media is pouncing over the story that sells and that is Kerry's service record.
Bush even admitted today or yesterday that Kerry's service in 'Nam was more honorable.
Even if everything the swiftboat pukes said is true, it still comes down to two things ...
Kerry volunteered for combat in Vietnam
Bush had his father use his pull to get him a job in a National Guard unit and then didn't report for duty to that unit for the better part of a year, during a time of war, and the records that would prove his innocence or guilt have mysteriously vanished.
Even if you don't accept that Bush was a deserter, Kerry is still a thousand times more a patriot that Georgie was because he actually fought for his country instead of sitting around getting drunk and playing golf.
Kerry volunteered for combat in Vietnam
Bush had his father use his pull to get him a job in a National Guard unit and then didn't report for duty to that unit for the better part of a year, during a time of war, and the records that would prove his innocence or guilt have mysteriously vanished.
Even if you don't accept that Bush was a deserter, Kerry is still a thousand times more a patriot that Georgie was because he actually fought for his country instead of sitting around getting drunk and playing golf.
Bush is doing this, but the media is pouncing over the story that sells and that is Kerry's service record.
Bush even admitted today or yesterday that Kerry's service in 'Nam was more honorable.
He's clearly doing his best to get the adds to stop. There's no way he could just say "ok, stop those adds" to one of the guy from his campaign who runs SwiftVets.
That being said, I'd prefer the adds keep running right up until the election.
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...4 and every official in the Navy who had to review or sign off on any of any of Kerry's recods.
WRONG Smash. Even the Navy is questioning Kerry's DD 214 with the V award for the Silver Star. Care to take another stab at it?
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Edited, Sun Aug 29 18:00:08 2004 by Stok
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He's clearly doing his best to get the adds to stop. There's no way he could just say "ok, stop those adds" to one of the guy from his campaign who runs SwiftVets.
Pull your head out of your forth point of contact SMash. Bush has publicly requested that all 527 adds be stopped and the 527 groups have said hell no.
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Bush even admitted today or yesterday that Kerry's service in 'Nam was more honorable
I just don't understand why he doesn't go the extra mile and denounce swiftvets.
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Bush has publicly requested that all 527 adds be stopped
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Even the Navy is questioning Kerry's DD 214 with the V award for the Silver Star. Care to take another stab at it?
Questioning it how, Stok? Or did you read a newspaper artcile and just create your own fantasy?
Shouoldn't you be pissing on the Vietnam Memorial or something?
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