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As it is, Democracy's flawed. There are some socialist models that seem effective (E.g. parts of Scandinavia) but they're still 'Social Democracies'.
so let me get this straight, democracy is flawed, are you defending it or aren't you?
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so let me get this straight, democracy is flawed, are you defending it or aren't you?
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Man, that was good. we just need Drac to start quoting 'Young Marxist Pictorial Weekly' at us as evidence and he'll be right there.
heres yer proof gorge bush is a bad president
how was that?
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I just resent the left wing reference. Like most adolescents toying with marxist theory, it's flown so far over his head that he's now landed just right of Mussolini.
wheres as theres nobby whos swallowed everything bush and blair throw at him, but its ok to because he voted labour so blair can force him into anything he want, he does speak on behalf of the people after all
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so let me get this straight, democracy is flawed, are you defending it or aren't you?
I can defend the benefits of anything in which I see benefit. I can also attack where I see fault. I see both in Democracy and say so.
Now when you're attacked for pointing out that Democracy is a way of empowering people, but not the only way bear it in mind, but don't think for one second I'm defending you.
If you really are British, I'm tempted to lobby for a raising of voting age, coz at this rate it's going to take you more than 2 years to work out how the world really works!
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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because he voted labour so blair can force him into anything he want, he does speak on behalf of the people after all
And find one complimentary thing I've said about Bliar here. Just one.
I've also said Bliar has no mandate(& Bush, Chirac etc).
Oh, and GFY
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If you really are British, I'm tempted to lobby for a raising of voting age
what makes you think i'll be voting? assuming i haven't come to my senses and realised that i should be voting conservative and buying my way into politics if i want a say, i wouldn't vote because democracy is, as you say flawed, and i'd say quite seriously, so you don't have to worry nobby,
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so you don't have to worry nobby
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One thing caught my eye as I was reading the 10 reasons to defeat Bush, Drac.
So does this mean that we should focus more on cleanup after the fact than preventing terrorist action? I'm pretty sure that firefighters are powerless to prevent attacks here. Not sure what kind of fire fighters you have in UK (that's where you're from, right?) but here in the states their job is to fight fires and to rescue people in emergency situations.
Nat
Edit: Oh, btw. Is the Communist Party's website where you get a majority of your information about the state of the government and politics in the US? If so I'd suggest you check out more sources because that may not be the most impartial or accurate source out there.
Edited, Sun Aug 29 17:38:52 2004 by Natdatilgnome
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9. Bush is denying civil liberties and free speech in the name of fighting terrorism instead of repealing the USA Patriot Act and helping cities, towns and states fund firefighters and police.
So does this mean that we should focus more on cleanup after the fact than preventing terrorist action? I'm pretty sure that firefighters are powerless to prevent attacks here. Not sure what kind of fire fighters you have in UK (that's where you're from, right?) but here in the states their job is to fight fires and to rescue people in emergency situations.
Nat
Edit: Oh, btw. Is the Communist Party's website where you get a majority of your information about the state of the government and politics in the US? If so I'd suggest you check out more sources because that may not be the most impartial or accurate source out there.
Edited, Sun Aug 29 17:38:52 2004 by Natdatilgnome
Drac, this thread is high school level social studies. Anybody that does not know why things are the way that they are should go back to school, and return here once they have a clue.
I agree with you, all countries in the world have a severly corrupted version of democracy. But as we learned in social studies this is all that reality allows.
If you are sooo smart, explain your system of government/economy, and see if anyone can pick holes in it?
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Edited, Sun Aug 29 18:01:00 2004 by Reinman
I agree with you, all countries in the world have a severly corrupted version of democracy. But as we learned in social studies this is all that reality allows.
If you are sooo smart, explain your system of government/economy, and see if anyone can pick holes in it?
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Edited, Sun Aug 29 18:01:00 2004 by Reinman
Drac, you follow an almost 100% Marxist version of Socialism, right?
Marx setup perhaps the most flawed form of socialism in the whole set. He took no real account for human nature in writing it, and it is the reason that socialism as a whole failed when it was mass-employed.
A socialist government turns into an oligarchy that is more opressive than what it opposes.
Drac, when you live in a communist country as an adult, on your own, having to truly bear the way of life, then I'm sure we'll be more likely to take your opinion into consideration.
As it is, you're just another ideaologist who has no experience in what you're advocating.
Marx setup perhaps the most flawed form of socialism in the whole set. He took no real account for human nature in writing it, and it is the reason that socialism as a whole failed when it was mass-employed.
A socialist government turns into an oligarchy that is more opressive than what it opposes.
Drac, when you live in a communist country as an adult, on your own, having to truly bear the way of life, then I'm sure we'll be more likely to take your opinion into consideration.
As it is, you're just another ideaologist who has no experience in what you're advocating.
Maybe he is only young but at least he shows hope and is fighting against what he believes and injust society.
I also agree that for a total marxist state to exist the population would have to be a very selfless bunch, but unfortunately human nature is filled with greed and envy.
I have read Dracoid's post and I agree that the world would be a better place if such a utopian society could exist. But in a world state that we live in today their are too many overriding factors that force such idealistic views aside. Capitalism is strife among the western nations. And Americans have a long standing hatred of communism going back to the Cold War.
So I admire Dracoid's efforts to sway the posters on this board, though I wish he would revert back to his old posting style rather than his current one where everything is *********
Needs to clean up his act
Edited, Sun Aug 29 20:44:23 2004 by TheDave
I also agree that for a total marxist state to exist the population would have to be a very selfless bunch, but unfortunately human nature is filled with greed and envy.
I have read Dracoid's post and I agree that the world would be a better place if such a utopian society could exist. But in a world state that we live in today their are too many overriding factors that force such idealistic views aside. Capitalism is strife among the western nations. And Americans have a long standing hatred of communism going back to the Cold War.
So I admire Dracoid's efforts to sway the posters on this board, though I wish he would revert back to his old posting style rather than his current one where everything is *********
Needs to clean up his act
Edited, Sun Aug 29 20:44:23 2004 by TheDave
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One thing caught my eye as I was reading the 10 reasons to defeat Bush, Drac.
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9. Bush is denying civil liberties and free speech in the name of fighting terrorism instead of repealing the USA Patriot Act and helping cities, towns and states fund firefighters and police.
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So does this mean that we should focus more on cleanup after the fact than preventing terrorist action? I'm pretty sure that firefighters are powerless to prevent attacks here. Not sure what kind of fire fighters you have in UK (that's where you're from, right?) but here in the states their job is to fight fires and to rescue people in emergency situations.
Nat
Edit: Oh, btw. Is the Communist Party's website where you get a majority of your information about the state of the government and politics in the US? If so I'd suggest you check out more sources because that may not be the most impartial or accurate source out there.
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9. Bush is denying civil liberties and free speech in the name of fighting terrorism instead of repealing the USA Patriot Act and helping cities, towns and states fund firefighters and police.
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So does this mean that we should focus more on cleanup after the fact than preventing terrorist action? I'm pretty sure that firefighters are powerless to prevent attacks here. Not sure what kind of fire fighters you have in UK (that's where you're from, right?) but here in the states their job is to fight fires and to rescue people in emergency situations.
Nat
Edit: Oh, btw. Is the Communist Party's website where you get a majority of your information about the state of the government and politics in the US? If so I'd suggest you check out more sources because that may not be the most impartial or accurate source out there.
ok maybe you don't know who varussword is, so i'll let you off, go and look him up and you'll see what the joke was about.
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I agree with you, all countries in the world have a severly corrupted version of democracy. But as we learned in social studies this is all that reality allows.
you mean all society allows is corrupt democracy? or scoiety only allows democracy if its corrupt?
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If you are sooo smart, explain your system of government/economy, and see if anyone can pick holes in it?
government/economy
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A socialist government turns into an oligarchy that is more opressive than what it opposes.
It did in russia, it did in north korea, it has done in many places, just because it HAS failed, does not mean it always WILL fail, marx himself wrote that when a communist government has been put into place, in the early days it will be very susseptible to despotic dictators.
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A socialist government turns into an oligarchy
yeah because the cuban oligarchy is famous
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As it is, you're just another ideaologist
and i'm arguing my ideologies, wheres the problem?
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though I wish he would revert back to his old posting style rather than his current one where everything is bullsh*t.
omg i've got a stalker!
I'm proud to say that i'm on the complete opposite side of the fruit loops we're seeing protesting in New York...lol (whew)
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