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250000 people are expected to join a rally in new york today to protest against the man elected by the people, a fair represntative of his country because he gained power via democracy.
We were led to beleive that there would be punch and pie.
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We were led to beleive that there would be punch and pie.
Punch and pie? Sweet..
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Elected 5 to 4 by a conservative Supreme Court.
Odd how conservatives HATE an activist court unless it suits their needs....
Odd how conservatives HATE an activist court unless it suits their needs....
first just because those who organized the rally think that there will be 250,000 people there doesnt mean the number will be anywhere close to that. the million man/woman marches come to mind.
also, when there are around 280 million people living in the united states 1 person for every 1120 is hardly a "fair representative" of his country.
im not saying bush isnt an idiot, but am im saying that you are.
also, when there are around 280 million people living in the united states 1 person for every 1120 is hardly a "fair representative" of his country.
im not saying bush isnt an idiot, but am im saying that you are.
Hippo wrote:
also, when there are around 280 million people living in the united states 1 person for every 1120 is hardly a "fair representative" of his country
So let me get this right. Over 75% of eligible Americans didn't vote for Bush in 2000. (And that's when we do take into account the 'Jeb Factor' and the internationally ridiculed supreme court ruling.)
I'm a believer in Democracy, but I don't pretend it's not hugely flawed. Numbers Schmumbers.
Incidentally Democracy and Demonstration stem from the same Greek word 'Demos'. They refer to a people's right to express their opinion.
I take that with a pinch of salt, so feel entirely comfortable saying STFU.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/stfu.php
given that the numbers for gore and bush were reasonably close im going to go ahead and say that 75% of americans *also* didnt vote for gore.
in any case, that has nothing to do with his 250,000 people (who will probably end up being considerably smaller) is hardly a staggering figure.
for the record... im fairly liberal and i wish gore had won... oh how i wish gore had won =(
in any case, that has nothing to do with his 250,000 people (who will probably end up being considerably smaller) is hardly a staggering figure.
for the record... im fairly liberal and i wish gore had won... oh how i wish gore had won =(
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So let me get this right. Over 75% of eligible Americans didn't vote for Bush in 2000.
That's true, but only part of the truth.
According to http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm
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138,216 Miscellaneous write-in, blank and void votes were compiled as one total.
One should probably post facts in their entirety. I'm not saying that you are wrong in implying that Bush didn't win the general election, just that Nobby was taking things a little out of context.
Nat
Edit: These numbers were as of election day, before recounts.
Edited, Sun Aug 29 13:14:15 2004 by Natdatilgnome
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Nobby was taking things a little out of context
Hippo wrote:
1 person for every 1120 is hardly a "fair representative" of his country
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
I consider the vote counts in this election to have been completely voided by the actions of Florida and the Supreme Court.
well gore got 1 in 4 as well (maybe less. im not examining the numbers too closely). so the whole 1 in 4 number doesnt really matter when the other canidate was in the exact same situation.
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well gore got 1 in 4 as well
Hence my point that Democracy (or Street Marches) are flawed and you can take a personal view that they're better than the alternatives (Saudi seems to be doing well under an age-old Feudal system), but to take a dogmatic stance that Democracy is the only way is open to challenge.
It leaves the candidates in the same situation, but it leaves 75% of the populus at the mercy of the 25%'s views. When a leader commands the votes of the majority (I.e. >50% of the eligible electorate) then they have a mandate. Bush (like Bliar, Chirac, Schroeder) is in a weak position as they can only be confident of the support of the few.
I'm not going to peddle the old Leninist "Democracy is the oppression of the minority" - that's too simplistic - I'll leave Dracoid to defend that one.
Do the Aussie's have it right, with compulsory voting?
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Is Dracoid trying to claim that the anti-Bush protesters are all Marxists?
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250000 people agree with me
That "75% of Americans didn't vote for Bush" statement is misleading in that 75% of Americans likely didn't vote at all, thus the same statisitcs could be used to say "75% of Americans didn't vote for Gore." This gets to the heart of stats, polls, and leading questions in general.
Totem
note: I just saw that Angry made mention of this, but it bears repeating.
Totem
note: I just saw that Angry made mention of this, but it bears repeating.
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also, when there are around 280 million people living in the united states 1 person for every 1120 is hardly a "fair representative" of his country.
thats my whole point, he isn't a fair represntative, i was being sarcastic, my point was: democracy is teh suXX0rzz!
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I consider the vote counts in this election to have been completely voided by the actions of Florida and the Supreme Court.
I consider the vote counts to be voided by the fact that all the candidates have huge ferkin pictures of themselves all over the place with slogans and "vote me" ********* plus you said it and i hate you and your avatar sucks and i'm not even talking to you and no i'm not being childish, so there.
Edited, Sun Aug 29 16:09:02 2004 by Dracoid
trickybeck the Sly wrote:
Is Dracoid trying to claim that the anti-Bush protesters are all Marxists? 
From the way he worded his post, apparently.
no no no, everyone who is going to the thread beleives that bush is generally not a good guy, and since he was elected via democracy, democracy is crap, i rest my case.
Drac really is pushing to be the Leftwing version of Varus aint he?
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Dracoid, your reasoning sucks.
Bush was elected, by the most part, through democracy. That was the base process, I agree there. But most of the uproar has to do with all of the other stuff involved.
And, even if he was elected completely by democracy, people would still have a right to feel that he's a fuc[b][/b]king idiot and protest that, and still believe in democracy.
I use the term democracy loosely, as we're really a republic.
Bush was elected, by the most part, through democracy. That was the base process, I agree there. But most of the uproar has to do with all of the other stuff involved.
And, even if he was elected completely by democracy, people would still have a right to feel that he's a fuc[b][/b]king idiot and protest that, and still believe in democracy.
I use the term democracy loosely, as we're really a republic.
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I use the term democracy loosely, as we're really a republic.
USA is a Republic, UK is a constitutional Monarchy. Both run on Democratic principles, but it's up to the people to make Democracy work.
If 100% actively participate and vote, it's wonderful. If they don't you get ********* like Bush and Blair in office.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
According to Dracoid, political candidates shouldn't campaign.
Childish Dracoid? Nah. I'm going straight for stoned or retarded.
I love how much you hate me.
Dracoid wrote:
consider the vote counts to be voided by the fact that all the candidates have huge ferkin pictures of themselves all over the place with slogans and "vote me" bullsh*t,
Childish Dracoid? Nah. I'm going straight for stoned or retarded.
I love how much you hate me.
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According to Dracoid, political candidates shouldn't campaign.
look! yanari can read!!!
thats exactly what i'm saying, the richer guy has the better campaign, so the richer your parents were the more chance you have of getting into office, thats one of the many things wrong with democracy.
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And, even if he was elected completely by democracy, people would still have a right to feel that he's a ******* idiot and protest that, and still believe in democracy.
I see what you mean, ok i take the title back, 250000 people don't agree with me, they agree with a system that elected someone who they think is a ************* idiot" to be in charge of the country. 250000 MIGHT agree with me, but probably don't, and if they don't they're stupid.
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If 100% actively participate and vote, it's wonderful. If they don't you get ********* like Bush and Blair in office.
Oh i see, so IF you oculd get everyone to vote, democracy would be great, you got me nobby! i'm convinced!
Dracoid wrote:
IF you oculd get everyone to vote, democracy would be great,
As it is, Democracy's flawed. There are some socialist models that seem effective (E.g. parts of Scandinavia) but they're still 'Social Democracies'.
As Karl Marx once said to Friedrich Engels. . . STFU N00b.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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Drac really is pushing to be the Leftwing version of Varus aint he?
I just resent the left wing reference. Like most adolescents toying with marxist theory, it's flown so far over his head that he's now landed just right of Mussolini.
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