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#1 Aug 28 2004 at 12:25 AM Rating: Default
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http://anon.salon.speedera.net/anon.salon/media/2004/08/BarnesonPatriotism.wmv
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#2 Aug 28 2004 at 12:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Score one for Kerry...

Nice find, Smash.
#3 Aug 28 2004 at 1:15 AM Rating: Good
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Kerry's campaign needs to get that guy on t.v. NOW.

Sanest Texan I've ever heard...

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Watson's supporters even include the scandal-ridden former Lieutenant Governor Ben Barnes, who has been an Austin developer and is now a lobbyist for the controversial Longhorn Pipeline. The nearly completed Pipeline, which is designed to transport gas from the Gulf Coast to El Paso, has been derided by environmentalists because it runs through many of Austin's most environmentally sensitive areas and residential neighborhoods. Barnes' checkered past includes the Sharpstown scandal in the 1970s and his lucrative and ethically questionable lobbying contract for GTECH, the company that runs the embattled Texas Lottery. During the 1980s, he developed the controversial Estates of Barton Creek, a subdivision opposed by environmentalists. Barnes has donated more than $28,000 in cash and auction items to the Watson campaign.


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#5 Aug 28 2004 at 2:45 AM Rating: Default
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Isn't it amazing that a corrupt Big Oil Republican is making this statement?

Mor powerfull than ever, thanks for pointing that out!
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#6 Aug 28 2004 at 2:47 AM Rating: Good
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Hmmm...let's look at some of the Austin Review's other brilliant editorials:

http://www.austinreview.com/Editorials/1.html

Just take a quick browse through...you'll see what I mean.

#7 Aug 28 2004 at 2:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I know. Just pointing out that he doesn't have much credibility in Texas and definately has his fair share of skeletons.



#8 Aug 28 2004 at 2:48 AM Rating: Default
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Just pointing out that he doesn't have much credibility in Texas and definately has his fair share of skeletons.


Sure he does. Unlike your average coke snorting frat boy who's daddy gets him out of the war and then buys him a baseball team with Saudi Oil money.

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#9 Aug 28 2004 at 2:52 AM Rating: Good
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Just pointing out that he doesn't have much credibility in Texas and definately has his fair share of skeletons.

Doesn't have credibility to someone who also wrote the following headline:
Marc Levin wrote:
Is This Progress? Modern Liberals More Totalitarian Than Marx Ever Was

So...wacko right-wing nutjobs won't vote for Kerry. Gotcha. I was really hoping to swing them.

#10 Aug 28 2004 at 3:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok...i'll put my blinders back on.

http://www.klru.org/texasmonthlytalks/archives/barnes/bio.asp
#11 Aug 28 2004 at 3:10 AM Rating: Good
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Don't you realize...that paragraph you quoted is absolutely ZERO indication of how the majority of texans (and especially non-texans) view him?

It's not a news article, it's an opinion column.

He uses words like "scandal-ridden," "controversial," "checkered past," "ethically questionable," and "controversial" (again) because they are all subjective and he doesn't have to back them up with an inch of fact.

EVERY SINGLE political action EVER taken has been "controversial."


I know absolutely nothing about this Barnes guy, but if I do learn something it won't be from this source.




Edited, Sat Aug 28 04:11:16 2004 by trickybeck
#12 Aug 28 2004 at 3:18 AM Rating: Default
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Ok...i'll put my blinders back on.


/shrug.

When Desmond Tutu comes out for one of the two candidates, let me know.
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#13 Aug 28 2004 at 7:02 AM Rating: Decent
Is this **** still going on? I can't beleive that the american people give a **** about who went to veitnam and what medals everyone got, if a british party launched a campaign that touched in the slightest way on someones military record they would be ridiculed in the press for months.
#14 Aug 28 2004 at 8:01 AM Rating: Good
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Dracoid wrote:
if a british party launched a campaign that touched in the slightest way on someones military record they would be ridiculed in the press for months.
It has been tried on several occasions, and in every case I recall, has back-fired on the person questioning someone else's military record.

Most recently, Michael Portillo's withdrawal from the Conservative Party leadership was blamed mainly on some of his supporters challenging IDS's service record. The smears were universally condemned and Portillo's campaign folded.

Generally I suspect that's more about an underlying difference between US and UK Hustings.
Negative campaigning (bashing the other candidate) seems acceptable to the US electorate/media. In the UK, this approach is seen as underhand, weak and a sign of desparation. I can't recall any successful negative campaigns; the Tories tried it in 2001 (a series of Party Political Broadcasts criticising named members of the Labour Party). The campaign made some very accurate descriptions of incompetent and/or shabby behaviour by Government members, but it resulted in a significant drop in the Tories' ratings.

I wonder if it's because of a British sense of "fair play" (doubt it), or whether British voters receive more impartial information which makes us ask the obvious question "Yes, but what are you proposing that's better?

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#15 Aug 28 2004 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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You hear that, Drac? If you ever decide to become an American you can join the Democrats and feel right at home with their holier-than-thou attitudes concerning Marxist totalitarianism.

Move to the Gulag of Washington DC and you should feel right at home.

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#16 Aug 28 2004 at 1:12 PM Rating: Decent
********* the democrats are right wing bastards who look all liberal because they're constantly compared with bush's facist regime, compared to anything else they're as right wing as what everywhere else would deem "far-right"
#17 Aug 28 2004 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
Ok Dracoid put down the airplane glue.

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compared to anything else they're as right wing as what everywhere else would deem "far-right"


Where is everywhere else? Your own little world?
#18 Aug 29 2004 at 4:51 PM Rating: Default
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Where is everywhere else? Your own little world?


The 9/10 of the planet not run by overly religous self righetous scions of wealthy families.
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#19 Aug 29 2004 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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The 9/10 of the planet not run by overly religous self righetous scions of wealthy families.


Oh you mean the 9/10 of the planet like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Israel or other places like those? Just asking.
#20 Aug 29 2004 at 6:46 PM Rating: Good
Drac, you are an idiot! You have absolutely no understanding of the real world, and your ignorance makes me sad.
#21 Aug 29 2004 at 6:57 PM Rating: Good
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Drac, you are an idiot!
Yes he is, But he's right that US Politics has limited mainstream options; Ultra-right (Bush), Centre-right (Kerry) and the commies.
No Social Democratic Option I can detect from here. (No-one mention Nader)
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#22 Aug 29 2004 at 9:56 PM Rating: Default
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Oh you mean the 9/10 of the planet like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Israel or other places like those? Just asking.


Saudi Arabia, Iran and Isreal make up 9/10 of the planet?

Time for a fuc[b][/b]king Geography lesson, I think, Varrus.
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#23 Aug 30 2004 at 5:56 AM Rating: Decent
omg! everybody's on my side, woohoo, well except for reinman who just called me an idiot without a given reason, and stok, and stok dosen't count.

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Oh you mean the 9/10 of the planet like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Israel or other places like those? Just asking.


erm no i mean 9/10 of the planet like europe, australia and huge parts of south america.
#24 Aug 30 2004 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
I understand the geography of the world but you claim that 9/10 of the planet consider the Democrats in the US to be more conservative than liberal. There for saying that 90% of the world is more liberal than the US. I throw out the Muslim world, Isreal and as being religiously fanatical regimes and now I'm in need of a geography lesson. As well now you are showing your ignorance and self proclaimed importance of saying that these religiously founded nations are part of the 90% of the world that consider Democrats to be right wing. Dracoid and Smash you are both pathetic in your arguements and statements.
#25 Aug 30 2004 at 8:11 AM Rating: Default
Someone quoted someone that wrote:

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The nearly completed Pipeline, which is designed to transport gas from the Gulf Coast to El Paso, has been derided by environmentalists because it runs through many of Austin's most environmentally sensitive areas and residential neighborhoods. Barnes' checkered past includes the Sharpstown scandal in the 1970s and his lucrative and ethically questionable lobbying contract for GTECH, the company that runs the embattled Texas Lottery.



Ohhh cry me a river...plow that sh*t up dig them wells so maybe we can get the f*ck out of the mid east.

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#26 Aug 30 2004 at 11:47 AM Rating: Decent
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I understand the geography of the world but you claim that 9/10 of the planet consider the Democrats in the US to be more conservative than liberal. There for saying that 90% of the world is more liberal than the US. I throw out the Muslim world, Isreal and as being religiously fanatical regimes and now I'm in need of a geography lesson. As well now you are showing your ignorance and self proclaimed importance of saying that these religiously founded nations are part of the 90% of the world that consider Democrats to be right wing. Dracoid and Smash you are both pathetic in your arguements and statements.


I don't know about 9/10ths but definitely a majority. Maybe, you should a trip our of Kansas, Mr. Worldly-wise. And NOT with the military.

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