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********* the american people don't have a say, bush would label any theocractic party as evil dictators who must be stopped, and ******** like totem, varus and gbajji would listen to fox news and beleive it.



my point is that even if Al-Sadr dosen't meet the firing squad as soon as he gives himself up, and even if he does start a political party that manages to get through bushes so called democratic anti-islamic screening process and does get voted in, bush will do to him what he did to saddam.

Unfortunately the American people aren't the ones in charge of the tanks.

If Bush wins in November and al-Sadr won an election in December, there's absolutely nothing stopping Bush from using armed forces to remove al-Sadr. What, are the American people going to rise up against Bush? Are we going to not vote for him? What's he care? He'll be in his second term anyway. Besides, 2005 is a long way away from 2008 and very few people in 2008 will remember or care enough to make it a voting point.

I said in another thread where I thought al-Sadr had to go so I'm not really supporting Dracoid's idea that he be allowed to stay. I'm just underscoring the fact that even prior to the war, people were asking "If we bring freedom to the Iraqi people and they use that freedom choose to form a fundamentalist Islamic theocracy like those in Afghanistan or Iran, what then?" and Bush didn't have a real answer for it.

I passionately disagree with you Joph.

If Bush, or any other president for that matter, were to pursue that course of action, there would be no other conceivable result in my mind than that president being impeached after a rapid series of massive, growingly violent protests.

The American simply wouldn't stand for it. I know I wouldn't.

Godwin'd!

To paraphrase a line from PUtV, the only thing more important than personal freedom is the basic right to it. The Iraqi people need a chance to express how they want to live, and should be entitled to their decision. Unfortunately, the current socio-political climate does not harbor much goodwill towards anyone. Maybe we should arbitrarily divide the country into separate Shia, Sunni and Kurd states. Think that would work?

The Kurds would like that, but I don't think Turkey would.

Totem

I wish I had your level of confidence in that.

I'm a realist.

Wouldn't you be absolutely irate? Don't you think the majority of Americans would?

Polls have long showed more than a majority disapproval of Bush's handling of the war in Iraq, the direction in which he is leading this country, whether Iraq was worth the cost, whether we should have been invaded in the first place, etc.

We, as Americans, find ourselves in the precarious position of having invaded a country on what turned out to be an unfounded basis. Most Americans I think, are now committed to doing the right thing though we may have started for the wrong reasons.

Militarily removing a freely elected leader from a newly democratic nation which we constructed would be a hypocrisy of the worst sort, contradicting the most sacred values upong which this country was founded.

That sets a nice precedent. Maybe if GWB wins another term regardless of popular opinion/vote, we can convince the military he's mistreating to storm the White House and kick his butt into the Potomac.

Bottom line for Iraq....

Iraq was conquered not for democracy, nor for WMD! Iraq was taken by force by the USA so we would have a big 'footprint' in the area, and for OIL! Do not kid yourself as to why we are there!

As for the current big-mouth-raghead flapping his lips, shoot him!
He has no say in what is to happen with his country now! He is a conqured people! Simple as that! BTW, he had no say about his own country before we conqured them! In fact, that coward, as are most rag-heads are, would not have dared to open his mouth under ole Saddam!

We are the conquering Roman Empire of our day! Do as we say, or ELSE!!!! Simple really! And that's exactly how it should be too!

As for democracy... we dont need no stinking democracy!!! You think, for one second, the USA is democracy!?!? No we are not! Never have been! Why should Iraq be a democracy?

Not that we have Iraq under our boot heel, where they belong, we should going after Iran, and any other arab nation that refuses to tow OUR line! Simple really! Force, and the end of a gun barrel is the only thing thoses people respect! I say we should really respect them to the fullest!

^Anyone wanna claim this sock?^

damn you for posting seconds before me

Edited, Fri Aug 27 12:19:13 2004 by DanFitzGer

Hmmm. Interesting, Jo. I suppose there really could be some benighted individuals out there who still believe Communism has some redeeming characteristics.

Totem

Look on the argument of oil, why would we take over iraq? Why not just go and take over one of the other more peaceful oil producers? Iraq, if it was nothing but for oil, would not be my first choice.


Secondly, maybe the iraqians are still scared to vote. Have you heard of the horrors they went threw when the spoke against Saddam? Hmm.. something to think about. They NEED to vote, wether they want to or not is a total different thing, but they NEED to let us know what they want and a vote is the best way to do it. Im afraid their fears will rule their voting, but theocracy is quite scarey, I do not believe we, the people of advanced nations, want taht kind of goverment in place.

Or Californicators?

Totem