2 passenger planes crash in Russia - just in.Follow

yowza, good find...

hmm, there is a storm band over western russia, but it doesn't look big enough to be anything that would down aircraft. http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/map/RSXX0063?from=LAPmaps

Unconfirmed reports from civilians indicate an explosion prior to the crash of at least one of the two planes.

Funched is right here is link.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/08/24/russia.planecrash/index.html



Edited, Tue Aug 24 21:49:46 2004 by Reinman

There are allways uncomfirmed reports of an explosion.

I imagine the unconfirmed speculation about shoulder fired missles should start in about 12 hours.

Yikes.

Aviation officials said that the hijacking code in the transponder was activated prior to it missing from the radar screens. If this information is accurate, I believe it is highly likely terrorism is the cause. That being said, does this change anybody's mind about heightened terror alerts or do all of you still think our Homeland Security Agency is nothing more than mental *************

Put the crack pipe down, son.

This has absolutely nothing to do with terro alerts in the US. Drawing any comparison at all is Gabjiesque in the extreme.

Did State issue any warnings to US travelers in Russia? Gee, why not? I guess there's a massive failure in the information garthering regarding terrorists, time for a change. Bush didn't care enough to get the warning to them in time.

Tell the families of the dead that he was more intrested in preventing gay marrige, I guess.

See what randomly making shi[b][/b]t up does for an argument? Fun, huh?

Your narrow focus on your own little world continues to astound me, Smash. Russia is or will be paying the price-- as will all civilized countries --for not stepping up and addressing the issue of obliterating global terrorism. The larger issue is cultural warfare, something we are knee deep in, as is France, Russia, Britain, and every other country with a a non-Muslim outlook, but a very real Muslim problem: an Islamic populace approving of terrorism as an acceptable tool of use. Until they and we break Muslim countries' will to engage in terrorism, planes will continue to crash, bombs will keep going off in crowded public venues, and eventually even larger tragedies will continue to plague us. Wishing it away will not do so, playing nice with them will not change their mind about us, and spreading around our wealth won't make them change their ways. Only a concerted effort by the civilized world as a whole will discourage them from terrorism.

In a perfect world our recourse would be to make it so pricey to continue that they cease and desist. How would we do that? Regime change on a global scale, and in terms of small theater operations, threaten to destroy the Najaf or Fallujah mosque or the Dome on the Rock or Mecca and explain that unless this crap ends, a 2000 pound laser guided bomb will drop in on that shiney golden roof. Tit for tat, one World Trade Center for one holy shrine.

We can always build another tower, but there's only a limited number of Islamic holy places.

But, sadly, no one has the backbone to do that, so what we are left with is quid pro quo: We get behind Russia in terms of Chechnya and they get behind us in terms of Iraq.

Totem

Totem, I think we must address the issue of global terrorism. Especially with the Muslim community. Bombing the sh'it out or anyone we think might be associated with terrorists has a tendency of making the situation worse.

Russia has been militarily involved with Chechen-Ingush area since 1993 trying to stop the area from asserting its claims to be an independant state. Things have gotten worse.

However while i do think intensive negotiation is key, sometimes you have to set deadlines/boundaries and say "look we have tried to work with you but you keep pissing around, either start working with us or prepared to get the **** bombed out of you". For example Al-Sadr in Najaf, we throw a few bullets at him and he wants to negotiate, then he starts f'ucking around again then we throw a few more bullets and he smartens up, then he messes around. I would give him a few chances and then if it was a viable military option be like "look last time, no other chances play straight or we are gonna go in and clear you out simple as that".

I thoroughly disagree with you on the bombing of Islamic holy sites though, that would definitely make things worse. Say if tomorrow some militant islamic group blew up the Statue of Liberty, The Whitehouse, burned the declaration of independance or some other significant symbol of America. How effective do you think that would be in getting the whole of America, even those normally opposed to war to agree to go to war? It would be the same if the US blew up the dome of the rock in Israel or the Kaaba in Mecca. It would unite the enitire Islamic community not only in the middle east but in Europe, Africa, Asia, etc against the United States and the amount of terrorism would increase and it would increase the ranks and followers of militant/radical groups.

More Chechyan terror in Moscow today. A car bomb just went off in Moscow. At least 8 dead.

Totem

That was near the main metro transit/train station in Moscow - sort of equivalent to Grand Central.

Oh go **** yourself pencildick! Quit stalking my every post before people start thinking I have you on a short leash. Worse than a damn lap dog you are!

and again.. shall I take a brush to that peach fuz you call a beard? How about a nice flea bath? Maybe I should get you one of those cute little shock collars. That way everytime you post and try to annoy the **** out of everyone, this will help you learn to not splatter the boards with your bull ****.