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#1 Aug 10 2004 at 10:04 PM Rating: Decent
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http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040810_531.html

You always wonder what goes on through someone's head when they murder someone. It really pisses me off that someone would go to such extremes over a damn X Box.

Well, just venting a little. I swear Florida is only old people and stupid teenagers.

Just venting...
#2 Aug 10 2004 at 10:17 PM Rating: Good
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Coveting what you can't afford, being poor, being called out for being poor, which makes you feel small, which leads to anger and rage. As a rule, women get depressed and men get angry.

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Men all over the world have been socialized to be strong, brave and competent, which usually has meant suppressing vulnerable emotions, especially fear, grief, and shame. In most male adults, these emotions are hidden, disguised or suppressed so consistently that early in childhood being aware of them becomes problematic.

There is also a substantial literature that men are socialized to pay less attention to attachments to others than women do. To achieve success or at least survival, men are trained to be less interested in affectional bonds than women (Lewis 1976). Suppression of emotion and detachment from others are closely interrelated. The more one suppresses one’s emotions, the more difficulty others have relating to you. And the more isolated from others, the easier it is to suppress emotions. On one’s own, without having to attend to others, one can try to organize one’s life in a way that avoids emotion.

By suppressing emotions and relationships, men become mobile to seek accomplishments and jobs. But such mobility comes at a high price: isolation from self and others, and, as I will argue, a propensity for aggression and violence. Men are socialized to deal with the outer world, but also to mostly ignore the emotional/relational (e/r) world. How does isolation from the e/r world translate into violence?

There are several studies that suggest a somewhat counter-intuitive answer to this question. These studies propose that the management of one particular emotion, shame, is crucial. They propose that men are particularly socialized to suppress this emotion: the sense of being weak, inadequate, powerless, helpless, impotent, or incompetent. Rather than experience these painful feelings or let others see them undergoing them, men usually become blank or angry. Shame itself is harmless, indeed, necessary. Shame is a prime component of conscience, modesty, and morality. It becomes a problem only if covered over. That is, one ingredient of violence, its incredible energy, is produced by masking shame with blankness or anger.

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Lewis’s moment by moment analysis of shame/anger episodes in discourse (1971) suggests a shame mechanism that I have called spiraling (Scheff 1987; 1994). It seems to me that shame/anger spirals explain the emotional basis for the high energy level of humiliated fury. Lewis herself has provided a cognitive explanation that complements the emotional one. According to Lewis (1971), the predominant cognitive feature of bypassed shame is what she calls obsessive preoccupation, the narrowing of focus onto a single issue. When an individual has a propensity to isolation from others, these two processes serve to further isolate him or her. They also can help explain a lifetime of anger, aggression and violence.
#3 Aug 10 2004 at 10:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, thats explains a few things :/
#4 Aug 11 2004 at 12:53 AM Rating: Decent
Very *********** Hope he gets raped in jail
#5 Aug 11 2004 at 12:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Meh, he's spent a lot of time in jail, I'm sure he knows his way around. In fact a big part of the story is that the instigator of all this should have had his parole revoked due to an assault charge against him days before this attack happened.

Now, of course, heads are rolling and finger are pointing. Doesn't bring these people back to life, of course, but in a bureaucracy it's about the best you can expect.
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#6 Aug 11 2004 at 12:58 AM Rating: Default
You know for a fact he won't get raped in jail. He will get 3 meals a day, exercise and cable...then get let out in 1/8 of the time sentenced.

And I don't even have cable! sad but true /sigh

Edited, Wed Aug 11 01:59:13 2004 by XPinkPallyX
#7 Aug 11 2004 at 1:29 AM Rating: Decent
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I don't know how many of the guys had a criminal record, but one of them definately did. Victorino had been in prison 11 years and had been arrested a couple of days before the murders on parole/probation violation.

Apparently he likes prison....
#8 Aug 11 2004 at 5:58 AM Rating: Decent
doh... I at least thought these guys were beating each other up with the actual console....WTF kinda cheat is that using bats.
#9 Aug 11 2004 at 8:39 AM Rating: Decent
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You know for a fact he won't get raped in jail.


Personal experience I take it?

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He will get 3 meals a day,


Damn shame we have to feed them...

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exercise


If by 'exercise' you mean 'he'll sit on his *** and play spades all day and night', then yeah, he will get plenty of that.

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and cable


Misconception. 100 men. 1 TV. Heirarchy. *He* won't get, the *toughest* 5 get. Unless he ends up on death row, and then he has to *pay* for his TV. Imagine that.

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...then get let out in 1/8 of the time sentenced.


You must live in a very pretty world when people get reformed in just 1/8th the time. Or are you making an assumption that they all get out early? Hmmm, maybe you should read up on Charlie Mansons repeat parole let-downs. you might be surprised at how well the state can keep a dangerous man in the system. Washington states sex-offender program is a primo example.

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And I don't even have cable! sad but true /sigh


Commit Arson, then you'll get to fight with 100 men over a single TV. Count yourself lucky. No women. No smokes. No liquor. A few hours a week with family. (Maybe friends...*if* they pass the security requirements.) Public showers. Strip searchs. ******* underpaid guards. Oh yeah, its a regular mardis ******* gras. They're having the time of their lives, I bet none of them regret going to prison at all. They have cable you know.
#10 Aug 11 2004 at 9:30 AM Rating: Decent
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Someone should hold these guys down, then shove that Xbox up their hole, nice and slow.

But first, use the entire length of the bat to loosen things up a bit.

And then take their dental records, and use them to paper cut those mofos on every inch of their body.

Then drop them in a vat of lemon juice and salt.

Then.......ok, I've gone too far....
#11 Aug 11 2004 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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I see no reason to punish the Xbox...
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