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How about minimal safe shelter, food to eat, a living wage for a fair day's work and health care for all the citizens like every other modern country in the world?

I bet those ideas just stick in your craw too.

xythed wrote:



Not even close allow me to clarify:

I grew up in a lower class family where the 5 of us lived in a small two bedroom apartment. My father created a business that grew to be worth millions, being n*gger rich he spent most of it on yachts, houses, cars, and women. He was able to sell the business which financed his retirement but he always believed you get what you work for so I'm trying to emulate what he accomplished, excluding the lawsuits. I havn't tossed anything aside, as some of you may understand just because your family has money doesn't necessarily mean you have it.

p.s. I like the contempt in your voice for someone that would decide to earn their way through life rather than live off the success of their parents. I know a college teammate that refuses money from his parents even though they've told him they didn't want him to work ever. It's called being a man to work for what you want and not accept handouts.

Varus

stok wrote:



This may be true but his reasoning is that he won't ever be independent if he accepts money from his parents. True their connections offer him business oppurtunities he might otherwise not have but that's how business is.

Varus

Sounds like Smash has it right and did it right. Smash is an example of moving upward on your own merits. My question to you though Smash, why don't you think others can't do the same? Not everyone wants to be in the same station in life that some here aspire to.


We've had this discussion like 17 times, but because even though I was born to lower middle class parents, I had inherant advantages that many people won't have. My parents killed themselves to send me to Catholic school for the first few years, and I was awarded a scholarship to Phillips Andover.

In my graduating class there were 8 black students. I'm also wasn't the average kid. The average kids in my neighborhood had two choices. The smart ones went to trade school and are now Plumbers or Electricians or whatever who are working now because the real estate market in Boston is insane, but who have gone months without wrok when things are slow. The unlucky ones are dead or abysmially poor with no chance at anything.

I have probably fifteen grade school freinds who wanted to go to college, but couldn't afford it. Most of them couldn't afford to go to community college at night because they had famillies and were barely scraping by.

I don't want complete redistribution of wealth. I might say that, but really I just want every citizen to be guranteed a basic place to live in a place where they can send their kids to good schools and not have to worry about medical care, chelter, food or education.

I don't think that's such a radical agenda in the wealthiest nation ont he planet, probably the wealthiest nation in human history.

The big problem right now is that some of the leading democrats in Congress have kicked and screamed to do any change in education besides throw more money at it.

Just saying.

Yes there are a few, but you get nutjobs in every family. But they've never been nearly as vocal in their protests.

There are so many variables to achieving what you state that redistribution of wealth is not the sole answer to achieving the solution. I believe that throwing money at the problem is not going to fix it. This is the fundamental difference between myself and the Liberal way of thinking. Resolving dependency on the federal or state government for survival is what's needed.

In the early 1970's public schools in Harlem were terrible. Administrators didn't know what to do. Then a small group of teachers reorganized part of the district in to independently run small public schools. It worked quite well.

So there is stuff that can be done. I can't tell you the exact procedure considering I'm still going through this public school system, but there are other things that can be done.

Note, I want to make sure you know that I edited Republican out of your quote because I don't have any idea what party the teachers belonged too.

That's the problem. You DON't know anything about anything. You just like placing blame.

Give me some figures and we'll talk.

The fact that the majority of people are not content to just "get by". I don't think anyone wants or is happy to live at the substinence line. I haven't seen anyone argue that there should be two cars, a 47" TV and an X-box in every home. The arguement is for providing basic necessities, ie. food, clothing, shelter. I don't understand how you can begrudge people that much. Even if they won't get off their *** and strike a lick.

If you give these basic services to people what is going to be the incentive for people to create better lives for themselves?


The same incentive that caused you to open a buisness rather than collect a salary.

The vast majority of people aren't happy with a basic lifestyle, they want the most they can. They want to better themselves and their families futures.



The problem is that where public school systems are failing is that the communities does not support the educational needs of thier children. I'm in a community where we have very good public schools and my children and neighbors children are receiving very good educations and we are not in the "Upper Middle Class". The schools and education our children receive are worth while because the parents take an active role in ensuring the educational needs of their children are being met. In the inner city, does this happen? I'd wager that only a small percentage of the parents whose children go to inner city public schools actually participate in their childrens educational process. So where is the blame to be placed for the failing of the Public School System? On the educational system as a whole or is their blame to be shared on the parents part as well?


We need schools that orphans can go to and get an equal education as the schools wealthy children attend.

I don't know enough about education reform to quantify how you'd do that. My wife does, though, in one of her areas of policy expertise, I'll ask her tonight and tommorow I'll be posting like an authority!

When people in the ghet-to decide to get their priorities straight and put the money in to housing, food and other basic necessities instead of rolling an Escalade and wearing FUBU or other "fresh gear" I and many like me may give a f'uck about them and their predicament.

First of all, what the hell is that? Are you an old wife about to regale us with a tale? Stupid is as stupid does.



Good for you. I am from a rural area and I've seen bad schools, parents, and curriculum, too. Why is there always this blaming of the inner city? Hell, SF doesn't even have an inner city anymore.